My First Month of 7.2 RS Ownership... Am I Dating Courtney Love?
06-21-2020, 04:15 PM
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Please tell me more about your comparative thoughts...in terms of how much it changed the character of the car. In my mind it will be like having a 4.0+ in that it will offer that type of feeling and more...but would love to hear it from an owner. Thanks!
06-21-2020, 04:33 PM
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The torque difference was instantly noticeable (even during 6th gear pulls during break-in). It's absolutely screams from 5k - 8800 rpms. It's been tested to 9,500, but I keep it below 9k. The sound from off-throttle burbles and downshift rev matching is intoxicating (assisted with SW bypass). With spirited driving, the car breaks loose on dry surfaces fro the power. I'm running the Sport Cup 2s.
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Steve Theodore (06-21-2020)
06-22-2020, 12:52 AM
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Bruce, the high costs of the CGT are almost entirely due to its parts prices. They live on a completely different level than 'normal' 911 parts, and the engine is likely much more of the same. Stuff costs 2-3x more for the CGT and so it's just hard to escape those raw costs. The clutch itself is something like $15k at retail, if not higher. The seats, the brakes, the headlight assemblies...everything lives at an extremely high level compared to 911s. People joke a lot about the 'Porsche tax' but we as Porsche 911 owners can joke about the 'CGT tax' as it is very real indeed and inescapable. I'm sure the insurance bill is pretty handy too, considering these generally cost $650k and up nowadays.
And again for all those who actually buy their cars to drive them [not speculators], one has to be nuts to pay today's prices for a factory 997 4.0 when you likely could have three Sharkwerks prepared 997's with either their 3.9 or 4.1 engines in them [or equivalent high caliber aftermarket tuner such as Autometrics] and accompanying chassis upgrades for the same cost, and that are every bit as good but likely even better than a factory 4.0...who are we kidding, what Sharkwerks does to P- factory 997 engines is what the manufacturer should have been giving us all along in a 997.2 and with no additional markup I would add...god knows they have only had about 45 years to figure it out...but of course much of the problem is that they [along with all high end vehicle manufactorers] like to milk the long run of most all their cars, offering minimal improvements every year or couple of years, to take full advantage of those who feel the need to constantly trade in for the "latest and greatest". Bruce
06-22-2020, 01:18 AM
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They are fabulous cars. Not much out there that can provide the same level of involvement and fun.
SteveT, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the crack of the 997 GT line: The GT2. Still one of my favorite all time cars even after owning several GT's.
SteveT, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the crack of the 997 GT line: The GT2. Still one of my favorite all time cars even after owning several GT's.
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Steve Theodore (06-22-2020)
06-22-2020, 01:33 AM
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I see, thanks Steve!...so in other words, simply a continuation of P-Company's greed, an art form that they seem to have perfected long before any other high end car manufacturer, especially vis a vis their options [but I could very well be wrong as I am no car expert by any stretch]...and sad to read that in the case of the Carrera GT it is really the parts that more than anything dictates what I would imagine are absurd service repair bills, from the dealer in particular...but I guess that is apt to be the case with high end limited production models in general, although likely some models of cars couldn't begin to justify their original price from the factory [Porsche?] .....'dem dats got we [the manufacturer] wants!'...or as in the case of Ferrari ,perhaps in particular, give 'em a model that we already milked, take out lots of options and relatively minimal weight and affix a lot of carbon fiber and we can call it a "special edition" and charge double...cause the saps that will fight to be the first on their block to buy one price be damned, don't really care that the more often than not, modest performance upgrades could usually have been done for pennies on the dollar in a good many instances [and I am talking about those who actually buy their cars to drive them and not those who garage them for something like 15 years so as to be able to double their money if lucky, and think that makes for a sound investment on all that money that is tied up in what sits in their garage for all that time...yeah, sure thing!]
And again for all those who actually buy their cars to drive them [not speculators], one has to be nuts to pay today's prices for a factory 997 4.0 when you likely could have three Sharkwerks prepared 997's with either their 3.9 or 4.1 engines in them [or equivalent high caliber aftermarket tuner such as Autometrics] and accompanying chassis upgrades for the same cost, and that are every bit as good but likely even better than a factory 4.0...who are we kidding, what Sharkwerks does to P- factory 997 engines is what the manufacturer should have been giving us all along in a 997.2 and with no additional markup I would add...god knows they have only had about 45 years to figure it out...but of course much of the problem is that they [along with all high end vehicle manufactorers] like to milk the long run of most all their cars, offering minimal improvements every year or couple of years, to take full advantage of those who feel the need to constantly trade in for the "latest and greatest". Bruce
And again for all those who actually buy their cars to drive them [not speculators], one has to be nuts to pay today's prices for a factory 997 4.0 when you likely could have three Sharkwerks prepared 997's with either their 3.9 or 4.1 engines in them [or equivalent high caliber aftermarket tuner such as Autometrics] and accompanying chassis upgrades for the same cost, and that are every bit as good but likely even better than a factory 4.0...who are we kidding, what Sharkwerks does to P- factory 997 engines is what the manufacturer should have been giving us all along in a 997.2 and with no additional markup I would add...god knows they have only had about 45 years to figure it out...but of course much of the problem is that they [along with all high end vehicle manufactorers] like to milk the long run of most all their cars, offering minimal improvements every year or couple of years, to take full advantage of those who feel the need to constantly trade in for the "latest and greatest". Bruce
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Steve Theodore (06-22-2020)
06-26-2020, 04:58 PM
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Congats!!! I love that more and more people are discovering how great these 997s truly are...as stated above...the only 911 I drive more than my 997RS is my Speedster. I park the speedster right behind the RS and I just marvel at what incredible machines these are
06-27-2020, 10:15 AM
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GT3 RS "Trouble-maker"...
And yes - the 997 platform is near perfect.
Sadly, our area's local Police enforcement officers are now equipped with DragonEye / LIDAR guns and I got pinged doing 51Kms over the speed limited and impounded for a week. It was our favourite driving road, and on a Thursday evening where I have NEVER seen Police up there once in the last 10 years, considered it safe (other days not so). So sad. Just out of my 14-day post-USA trip quarantine. I am afraid the "Golder Age" of driving that road (the Sea to Sky Hwy) is over. So many cars with CV-19 lockdown and police now. All good things come to an end? Bummed. But, alas, I do remind myself that this is a First World problem, right?
What was interesting was that the trusty 10-year old Escort didn't pick it up, nor was he tagged on WAZE (most likely as I think he was hidden up on an overpass out of view). But are older detectors not picking LIDAR up?
As the title asks the question - who is this RS girl I'm dating? She just ended up in jail for a week with me as an accomplice. Not a "Widow-maker" like the GT2 but definitely a "Trouble-maker". The car reminds me of a "best friend" I had as kid that lived across the street. He'd goad us on into all kinds of trouble and then years later he ended up in jail. Nutty.
Sorry for the rant, guys. Arggggh...
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911Jetta (06-29-2020)
06-27-2020, 11:17 AM
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^^^yep, that is my top complaint about my 7rs: of the remaining cars I own, it tends to goad me into driving it stupidly on street. If there is ANY reason I ever let it go, this will be the reason! Seriously!
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Fisher (06-27-2020)
06-27-2020, 11:43 AM
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Thanks so much! And from your long list of Porsches, that's quite an endorsement! I'm on the hunt for someone local with a Speedster for a good rip somewhere.
And yes - the 997 platform is near perfect.
Sadly, our area's local Police enforcement officers are now equipped with DragonEye / LIDAR guns and I got pinged doing 51Kms over the speed limited and impounded for a week. It was our favourite driving road, and on a Thursday evening where I have NEVER seen Police up there once in the last 10 years, considered it safe (other days not so). So sad. Just out of my 14-day post-USA trip quarantine. I am afraid the "Golder Age" of driving that road (the Sea to Sky Hwy) is over.
And yes - the 997 platform is near perfect.
Sadly, our area's local Police enforcement officers are now equipped with DragonEye / LIDAR guns and I got pinged doing 51Kms over the speed limited and impounded for a week. It was our favourite driving road, and on a Thursday evening where I have NEVER seen Police up there once in the last 10 years, considered it safe (other days not so). So sad. Just out of my 14-day post-USA trip quarantine. I am afraid the "Golder Age" of driving that road (the Sea to Sky Hwy) is over.
06-28-2020, 01:23 PM
#43
Ditto to the OP.
I got my car (.2 GT3) drove it all day yesterday, it took me 20 seconds to realize this car is absolutely amazing.
I have come to realize, I strongly prefer hydraulic steering in my cars. There is no way to duplicate that feeling in modern cars.
The secret ingredient if you will, when people are talking about feel and connection. Truthfully, I wish I was not so inclined toward hydraulic steering, but I just can not help it.
I got my car (.2 GT3) drove it all day yesterday, it took me 20 seconds to realize this car is absolutely amazing.
I have come to realize, I strongly prefer hydraulic steering in my cars. There is no way to duplicate that feeling in modern cars.
The secret ingredient if you will, when people are talking about feel and connection. Truthfully, I wish I was not so inclined toward hydraulic steering, but I just can not help it.
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Zeus993 (06-29-2020)
06-28-2020, 02:32 PM
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^^^I totally agree on the steering feel issue. If it wasn’t such a big deal to me, the world of potential options (newer cars) would open up significantly. I’m hopeful that electric steering will continue to get better at a clip before the rest of the car has to change so much for enviro reasons? Just about the time they get elec steering fine tuned, the future drive trains will be so different, I’ll still be left cold for new cars.
06-29-2020, 11:02 AM
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The torque difference was instantly noticeable (even during 6th gear pulls during break-in). It's absolutely screams from 5k - 8800 rpms. It's been tested to 9,500, but I keep it below 9k. The sound from off-throttle burbles and downshift rev matching is intoxicating (assisted with SW bypass). With spirited driving, the car breaks loose on dry surfaces fro the power. I'm running the Sport Cup 2s.