997 GT3 RS 4.0 is and will be the queen ?
01-15-2019, 10:52 PM
#76
I currently own a 3.8 and a 4.0. I’ll try and summarize a few of the differences I notice while driving. Keep in mind I’m no race car driver, just a weekend warrior 
The 4.0 seems more nimble, more willing to change direction at any time. The steering feels noticeably lighter along with the clutch pedal. The dampers actually feel more compliant or better suited for the road than my 3.8. The throttle is more of a factor in steering the car, for example when I come off the throttle the front end will immediately turn in more aggressively in the 4.0. And of course the added torque. You can give it throttle at any rpm in any gear and you feel noticeably more power. All of these things and more that I can’t think of, make the car exponentially better than the regular 3.8. When you have a car that is as incredible good as the 3.8 and you can make it even better in terms of power and handling while making it a little lighter with more downforce, it is an incredibly powerful result that can’t be judged only by the sum of the added parts. And then there’s the sound the car makes, it’s even sweeter than the music of the 3.8. It’s a hard one to explain but I even had a friend who owns a GT3 drive my 4.0 and he was amazed at how this engine sounds. I guess it all depends on what your budget is. If you can swing it, the 4.0 is a hands down winner. With that said, I still can’t let my 3.8 go because it is different and still so good in its own way.
The 4.0 seems more nimble, more willing to change direction at any time. The steering feels noticeably lighter along with the clutch pedal. The dampers actually feel more compliant or better suited for the road than my 3.8. The throttle is more of a factor in steering the car, for example when I come off the throttle the front end will immediately turn in more aggressively in the 4.0. And of course the added torque. You can give it throttle at any rpm in any gear and you feel noticeably more power. All of these things and more that I can’t think of, make the car exponentially better than the regular 3.8. When you have a car that is as incredible good as the 3.8 and you can make it even better in terms of power and handling while making it a little lighter with more downforce, it is an incredibly powerful result that can’t be judged only by the sum of the added parts. And then there’s the sound the car makes, it’s even sweeter than the music of the 3.8. It’s a hard one to explain but I even had a friend who owns a GT3 drive my 4.0 and he was amazed at how this engine sounds. I guess it all depends on what your budget is. If you can swing it, the 4.0 is a hands down winner. With that said, I still can’t let my 3.8 go because it is different and still so good in its own way.
01-16-2019, 10:09 AM
#77
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Originally Posted by Brandon_
Why do you say it would be more expensive?
A good 3.8 is about 180-200k and the 4.1 from Sharkwerks is 60k. So you're at 240-260. A good 4.0 is over 400. What am I missing?
A good 3.8 is about 180-200k and the 4.1 from Sharkwerks is 60k. So you're at 240-260. A good 4.0 is over 400. What am I missing?
There's up front capital and there's actual cost of the car. Yes a 4.0 is more out of pocket day-1 and more insurance. But a modded car almost always costs more because the mods, at best, don't destroy value (with a few exceptions). Hence my comment about buying a blown engine 3.8 at great price. THEN the 3.8 is a great candidate for the SW mod. Still gonna be more difficult to sell one day than an unmolested 4.0.
01-16-2019, 10:17 AM
#78
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Originally Posted by turbofreeFLAT6
Great to get a comparison from someone who has both. I've not driven a 3.8. What are its unique characteristics that make you want to keep it?
Do you have / have you also had a 997 3.6 RS? I've had a drive of one on a good road but it's tyres were so old and slippery that its hard to make a comparison. The amount it would understeer and oversteer with the throttle on the dry road was great fun but very different to the way it would drive on fresh tyres. The 4.0's steering and gear shift is heavier and the increase in engine performance and quality and volume of sound is massive. The interior finishes give the 3.6 more of a track car ambiance, which is cool. The 4.0 still has some of that thanks to the cage and harnesses but feels a much more expensive exotic.
Do you have / have you also had a 997 3.6 RS? I've had a drive of one on a good road but it's tyres were so old and slippery that its hard to make a comparison. The amount it would understeer and oversteer with the throttle on the dry road was great fun but very different to the way it would drive on fresh tyres. The 4.0's steering and gear shift is heavier and the increase in engine performance and quality and volume of sound is massive. The interior finishes give the 3.6 more of a track car ambiance, which is cool. The 4.0 still has some of that thanks to the cage and harnesses but feels a much more expensive exotic.
4.0 is 4.0. It's a 3.8 with every little detail amped up and more precise. If I wasn't fortunate enough to have a 3.6 and 4.0, the 3.8 alone is the hands down best buy in the ENTIRE 997 lineup imo. I'll admit I have the worst 997 GT's when factoring in car/$: the 3.6 frog and the 4.0. But I like what I like and so that's what i have. But if someone asks for advice when buying 1 fun all-around weekend toy, 997.2rs is my pick (even though, no, I don't own one).
For "drive to the track and back home fun", I'll point them to the 981 and 991 GT forums.
01-16-2019, 08:18 PM
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01-17-2019, 03:31 AM
#81
I have a 3.6 and 4.0. They have the most diversity of drive amongst the 997RS. They are similar feeing but considerably different at the same time. 3.6rs is one of my fav back road street cars of all time. To me, it's right on the edge of being too much car for the street. And suspension still crude enough to get loose easily on the street.
4.0 is 4.0. It's a 3.8 with every little detail amped up and more precise. If I wasn't fortunate enough to have a 3.6 and 4.0, the 3.8 alone is the hands down best buy in the ENTIRE 997 lineup imo. I'll admit I have the worst 997 GT's when factoring in car/$: the 3.6 frog and the 4.0. But I like what I like and so that's what i have. But if someone asks for advice when buying 1 fun all-around weekend toy, 997.2rs is my pick (even though, no, I don't own one).
For "drive to the track and back home fun", I'll point them to the 981 and 991 GT forums.
4.0 is 4.0. It's a 3.8 with every little detail amped up and more precise. If I wasn't fortunate enough to have a 3.6 and 4.0, the 3.8 alone is the hands down best buy in the ENTIRE 997 lineup imo. I'll admit I have the worst 997 GT's when factoring in car/$: the 3.6 frog and the 4.0. But I like what I like and so that's what i have. But if someone asks for advice when buying 1 fun all-around weekend toy, 997.2rs is my pick (even though, no, I don't own one).
For "drive to the track and back home fun", I'll point them to the 981 and 991 GT forums.
01-17-2019, 06:56 AM
#82
I think the 6rs has better claim to be a greater driver's car than the 4.0. It's much more analogue, much 'purer' with less overall electronics and offers by far the closest experience in the road RS to the equivalent motorsport car of the time. That was the whole ethos of the gt3 initially after all. The 4.0 is much the better overall road car of course than the 6rs but in terms of being a better 'driver's car' imo it's not.
01-17-2019, 07:51 AM
#83
I think the 6rs has better claim to be a greater driver's car than the 4.0. It's much more analogue, much 'purer' with less overall electronics and offers by far the closest experience in the road RS to the equivalent motorsport car of the time. That was the whole ethos of the gt3 initially after all. The 4.0 is much the better overall road car of course than the 6rs but in terms of being a better 'driver's car' imo it's not.
01-17-2019, 01:10 PM
#84
Setup/ride height. The cars are adjustable after all and I believe a lot of that criticism stemmed from cars that were very track focused in setup. the 6 gt3s don't have the same ability to run track settings on the road easily - the 7s are better in that regard. Re understeer, actually no, if anything the 7.1 gt3 and rs iirc were much more criticised for understeer especially compared to the 6rs, to the point people had to put in the gt2 rear ARB as it was much firmer.
01-17-2019, 02:38 PM
#85
Great to get a comparison from someone who has both. I've not driven a 3.8. What are its unique characteristics that make you want to keep it?
Do you have / have you also had a 997 3.6 RS? I've had a drive of one on a good road but it's tyres were so old and slippery that its hard to make a comparison. The amount it would understeer and oversteer with the throttle on the dry road was great fun but very different to the way it would drive on fresh tyres. The 4.0's steering and gear shift is heavier and the increase in engine performance and quality and volume of sound is massive. The interior finishes give the 3.6 more of a track car ambiance, which is cool. The 4.0 still has some of that thanks to the cage and harnesses but feels a much more expensive exotic.
Do you have / have you also had a 997 3.6 RS? I've had a drive of one on a good road but it's tyres were so old and slippery that its hard to make a comparison. The amount it would understeer and oversteer with the throttle on the dry road was great fun but very different to the way it would drive on fresh tyres. The 4.0's steering and gear shift is heavier and the increase in engine performance and quality and volume of sound is massive. The interior finishes give the 3.6 more of a track car ambiance, which is cool. The 4.0 still has some of that thanks to the cage and harnesses but feels a much more expensive exotic.
01-17-2019, 07:39 PM
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01-18-2019, 02:05 AM
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^ u got to be kidding
I would not trade my 4.0 against three R's let alone one.
I would not trade my 4.0 against three R's let alone one.
01-18-2019, 02:08 AM
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I think the 6rs has better claim to be a greater driver's car than the 4.0. It's much more analogue, much 'purer' with less overall electronics and offers by far the closest experience in the road RS to the equivalent motorsport car of the time. That was the whole ethos of the gt3 initially after all. The 4.0 is much the better overall road car of course than the 6rs but in terms of being a better 'driver's car' imo it's not.
someone said 6 pushes? it doesn't.
it is the friskiest of all GT3. light on its foot
beautifully balanced and sphincter tightening to drive.
I cut my teeth on that platform.
I am not sure I am still alive after 100k miles on that platform plenty occasions that I scared myself.
01-19-2019, 01:50 AM
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