RS 4.0 and GT2 RS
11-03-2018, 09:08 PM
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I'm sure you've read all the comments in the other thread, but I'd personally prefer the typical painted hood, alcantara interior, striped spartan build. Unique no doubt though.
11-04-2018, 05:01 PM
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The 4.0 is by far the more visceral and transparent. The 2RS is insanely fast, but much less analog. If sound is an issue (it is for me), the 2RS sounds a bit like a Hoover. I also am very fond of the 997.1RS as it has more chassis than power. That relationship is reversed with the 2RS.
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11-04-2018, 06:44 PM
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The best car that Porsche has ever made is the CGT- we can go back and forth on the 73 RS or the 550 spyder etc but there is no "almost CGT" like there is with the 1974 MFI or the 356 Speedster 4 cam Carrera GT engine...
The CGT is the boss of bosses.
However the cars in question are 4.0RS and GT2RS
I would take the 4.0RS despite the 2RS being faster and more rare. There is just something about the lightness and loudness of the 4.0 that make it the best stick shift 911 that Porsche has ever made. I have owned a few and only ever sold them because I needed the money to fund something else...never because I tired of the car. I think they are fantastic and TONS of fun, sketchy etc.
If anyone is selling one, let me know. I love scratching that itch.
The GT2RS is a great, insanity-mobile. 600hp. Ridiculous speed does not always translate into fun, as the car is really not dramatic in the same way that the 4.0 is...it's actually terrifyingly fast for a 911. So, if ultimate speed is your thing, get the 2RS. If noise and coordination of elements are the key to you, then the 4.0RS is the ultimate.
The CGT is the boss of bosses.
However the cars in question are 4.0RS and GT2RS
I would take the 4.0RS despite the 2RS being faster and more rare. There is just something about the lightness and loudness of the 4.0 that make it the best stick shift 911 that Porsche has ever made. I have owned a few and only ever sold them because I needed the money to fund something else...never because I tired of the car. I think they are fantastic and TONS of fun, sketchy etc.
If anyone is selling one, let me know. I love scratching that itch.
The GT2RS is a great, insanity-mobile. 600hp. Ridiculous speed does not always translate into fun, as the car is really not dramatic in the same way that the 4.0 is...it's actually terrifyingly fast for a 911. So, if ultimate speed is your thing, get the 2RS. If noise and coordination of elements are the key to you, then the 4.0RS is the ultimate.
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11-04-2018, 08:20 PM
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The CGT is a work of art.. the engineering and design are flawless and compliment one another impeccably.
Is it the best car ever made? Possibly. But where do you draw the line between good and too good? -I personally think the CGT crosses that line.
When I say that, I mean for me.. -VERY subjective thing.
My driving skills are not even close to driving the CGT at even 7/10, and my driving style doesn't fit as well with the mid-engine layout.
I am not at all insinuating that a 4.0 is easy to drive. But the dynamics of the 911 spark me differently than a mid-engine car. Does anyone else get that too??
Having driven a 997.1 GT3 extensively with the Exige S, I'd be spending my money on a 911 than a CGT (if I could afford one).
Comparing a CGT to an Exige is daft and foolish, yes.. but for now that's my POV.
Now, GT2 vs 4.0..
If the 4.0 is 10/10, GT2 is 9.2/10 in my experience.
Driving the 997 GT2 (non-RS) for 6 days in Munich during June was a very unique experience. The lag is something that does itch a bit until you get to boost, which is something I've never confronted with the GT3. The boost is extremely addictive, but I find that instant throttle response is more enjoyable in a very different way.
I have my mind made up for the 4.0 right now, but am still very tempted by the GT2 RS. Tomorrow, that could change..
Is it the best car ever made? Possibly. But where do you draw the line between good and too good? -I personally think the CGT crosses that line.
When I say that, I mean for me.. -VERY subjective thing.
My driving skills are not even close to driving the CGT at even 7/10, and my driving style doesn't fit as well with the mid-engine layout.
I am not at all insinuating that a 4.0 is easy to drive. But the dynamics of the 911 spark me differently than a mid-engine car. Does anyone else get that too??
Having driven a 997.1 GT3 extensively with the Exige S, I'd be spending my money on a 911 than a CGT (if I could afford one).
Comparing a CGT to an Exige is daft and foolish, yes.. but for now that's my POV.
Now, GT2 vs 4.0..
If the 4.0 is 10/10, GT2 is 9.2/10 in my experience.
Driving the 997 GT2 (non-RS) for 6 days in Munich during June was a very unique experience. The lag is something that does itch a bit until you get to boost, which is something I've never confronted with the GT3. The boost is extremely addictive, but I find that instant throttle response is more enjoyable in a very different way.
I have my mind made up for the 4.0 right now, but am still very tempted by the GT2 RS. Tomorrow, that could change..
11-05-2018, 01:55 AM
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The 4.0 is by far the more visceral and transparent. The 2RS is insanely fast, but much less analog. If sound is an issue (it is for me), the 2RS sounds a bit like a Hoover. I also am very fond of the 997.1RS as it has more chassis than power. That relationship is reversed with the 2RS.
The CGT is a work of art.. the engineering and design are flawless and compliment one another impeccably.
Is it the best car ever made? Possibly. But where do you draw the line between good and too good? -I personally think the CGT crosses that line.
When I say that, I mean for me.. -VERY subjective thing.
My driving skills are not even close to driving the CGT at even 7/10, and my driving style doesn't fit as well with the mid-engine layout.
I am not at all insinuating that a 4.0 is easy to drive. But the dynamics of the 911 spark me differently than a mid-engine car. Does anyone else get that too??
Having driven a 997.1 GT3 extensively with the Exige S, I'd be spending my money on a 911 than a CGT (if I could afford one).
Comparing a CGT to an Exige is daft and foolish, yes.. but for now that's my POV.
Now, GT2 vs 4.0..
If the 4.0 is 10/10, GT2 is 9.2/10 in my experience.
Driving the 997 GT2 (non-RS) for 6 days in Munich during June was a very unique experience. The lag is something that does itch a bit until you get to boost, which is something I've never confronted with the GT3. The boost is extremely addictive, but I find that instant throttle response is more enjoyable in a very different way.
I have my mind made up for the 4.0 right now, but am still very tempted by the GT2 RS. Tomorrow, that could change..
Is it the best car ever made? Possibly. But where do you draw the line between good and too good? -I personally think the CGT crosses that line.
When I say that, I mean for me.. -VERY subjective thing.
My driving skills are not even close to driving the CGT at even 7/10, and my driving style doesn't fit as well with the mid-engine layout.
I am not at all insinuating that a 4.0 is easy to drive. But the dynamics of the 911 spark me differently than a mid-engine car. Does anyone else get that too??
Having driven a 997.1 GT3 extensively with the Exige S, I'd be spending my money on a 911 than a CGT (if I could afford one).
Comparing a CGT to an Exige is daft and foolish, yes.. but for now that's my POV.
Now, GT2 vs 4.0..
If the 4.0 is 10/10, GT2 is 9.2/10 in my experience.
Driving the 997 GT2 (non-RS) for 6 days in Munich during June was a very unique experience. The lag is something that does itch a bit until you get to boost, which is something I've never confronted with the GT3. The boost is extremely addictive, but I find that instant throttle response is more enjoyable in a very different way.
I have my mind made up for the 4.0 right now, but am still very tempted by the GT2 RS. Tomorrow, that could change..
CGT goes sideways more often.
it's skittish even going straight.
it really needs a LOT LOT more downforce.
places (straight) where I would buried the throttle on 4.0 and hit way way illegal speeds, would not do the same in CGT.
the engine in CGT has no peer. the suspension on CGT is well.. half cooked. but that is the fun part. bring diapers.
u know I don't set foot in that **** hole since 2010.
I am dropping the mic now b/c I can go on all all night about Carlsen, and as you know, it takes a lot of fk up to **** me off
11-05-2018, 03:16 AM
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Oh don't get me wrong, I COMPLETELY agree that the CGT is madness on wheels..
Almost two years ago I was passenger in a CGT and my guts were being played with and kicked like a damn football.. Driver wasn't even using half throttle and we were sliding like on ice.. Yes, mooty.. diapers were my first thought after the thoughts of meeting the almighty..
My point is GT2 and GT3 RS are more drivable in general, and if you want to put a diaper on you can.. but you have that choice.
..CGT - you always need a diaper.. maybe even two if the driver is a complete nut.
Less HP = wider range of sensitivity, no? I can push the GT3 to the batsh*t crazy point, whereas the CGT is in a constant state of batsh*t crazy.
I take my hat off for anyone that can handle that thing.. and for those that couldn't but had the stones to try!
One day I'll be ready for the CGT, that's a promise!
Almost two years ago I was passenger in a CGT and my guts were being played with and kicked like a damn football.. Driver wasn't even using half throttle and we were sliding like on ice.. Yes, mooty.. diapers were my first thought after the thoughts of meeting the almighty..
My point is GT2 and GT3 RS are more drivable in general, and if you want to put a diaper on you can.. but you have that choice.
..CGT - you always need a diaper.. maybe even two if the driver is a complete nut.
Less HP = wider range of sensitivity, no? I can push the GT3 to the batsh*t crazy point, whereas the CGT is in a constant state of batsh*t crazy.
I take my hat off for anyone that can handle that thing.. and for those that couldn't but had the stones to try!
One day I'll be ready for the CGT, that's a promise!
11-05-2018, 05:27 AM
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mooty your issue with the CGT is that you bought one with potentially leaky suspension or just needs shocks rebuilt.
this is a pretty essential thing to do on ANY 15 year old car.
with serviced/ rebuilt shocks and new tires the CGT handles like a dream and does not skip or bump anywhere near as badly as the regular one will with dusty and cracked or empty canisters.
the shocks are actually not that expensive - similar to replacing your RS car with Ohline or something but the labor is kind of a bit%#
this is a pretty essential thing to do on ANY 15 year old car.
with serviced/ rebuilt shocks and new tires the CGT handles like a dream and does not skip or bump anywhere near as badly as the regular one will with dusty and cracked or empty canisters.
the shocks are actually not that expensive - similar to replacing your RS car with Ohline or something but the labor is kind of a bit%#
11-05-2018, 06:52 AM
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^^^^interesting feedback. I'll keep that in mind on mine. Right now it's just parked, unused, in storage unfortunately, but once I'm reunited with it, I'll give thought to the suspension resto idea.
04-04-2024, 01:24 PM
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Lucky man! Here is my take...if you are keeping the 16m, I'd go 2rs. Just a totally different experience and bonkers straight line speed and torque. I love my scud/3.9l gt3 pairing, but they are alike in many ways (high revving, na, loud, not much torque), that I think I'd like the contrast of a different experience, and one that would be more suited to roadtrips with the wife!
04-04-2024, 02:02 PM
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Lucky man! Here is my take...if you are keeping the 16m, I'd go 2rs. Just a totally different experience and bonkers straight line speed and torque. I love my scud/3.9l gt3 pairing, but they are alike in many ways (high revving, na, loud, not much torque), that I think I'd like the contrast of a different experience, and one that would be more suited to roadtrips with the wife!
Also have CGT, curious to know how GT2RS compares to CGT in driving experience.
04-05-2024, 09:06 AM
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Here’s my take…NA all the way…drove mine to work the last two days. Triple black.
04-05-2024, 09:17 PM
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I may be willing to let go of my black 4.0L at the right price....
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