Will I regret not going "S"?
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Zero regrets.
When do you stop the comparisons? Why not say, do you regret not getting the C4S vs the S. Oh, for a little bit more, do you regret not getting the turbo?
To me, this is more "keeping up with the Jonses"....and I could give a flip about that. I bought my 911 because I wanted a 911. This is my 4th p-car and won't be my last. Next on my list is to go back to a mid-engine platform 981/718. At the end of the day, it's a question of what need will the car fulfill. I wanted a fun car where I could row the gears manually. I have a company car that I'm required to drive while traveling, so it's only a pleasure car for weekend drives and a few overnight trips. As for the cost difference, it's more than a few thousand. A comparable S model to mine (with 38k miles) was at least $8,000 more. Not to mention, the condition was immaculate and that's what sealed the deal for me.
When do you stop the comparisons? Why not say, do you regret not getting the C4S vs the S. Oh, for a little bit more, do you regret not getting the turbo?
To me, this is more "keeping up with the Jonses"....and I could give a flip about that. I bought my 911 because I wanted a 911. This is my 4th p-car and won't be my last. Next on my list is to go back to a mid-engine platform 981/718. At the end of the day, it's a question of what need will the car fulfill. I wanted a fun car where I could row the gears manually. I have a company car that I'm required to drive while traveling, so it's only a pleasure car for weekend drives and a few overnight trips. As for the cost difference, it's more than a few thousand. A comparable S model to mine (with 38k miles) was at least $8,000 more. Not to mention, the condition was immaculate and that's what sealed the deal for me.
The car I ended up with was a super clean 997.1 Base with all the features I wanted. I wanted a coupe because I was selling my Boxster S. I wanted full leather because it just looks and smells great! I wanted a manual and Sport chrono. I like pressing the button and having different throttle feeling. I found a base model that had all the features I wanted and right color too. I jumped at it. I know it is not an S, and I am okay with that. So what did I give up. Some low in torque/HP. PASM, and bigger brakes. For me, coilovers and a big brake kit, would put me above a S model for braking and handling. I have not spent a dime on any "upgrades" because I am spending money to become a better driver. I took a AX class with my local PCA chapter. I will participate in as my of my local PCA AX events as I can this year. With my Boxster S, I did DE events with instructors. The most important upgrade to a faster car is your ability.
There is no right or wrong choice. Buy it, drive it.
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That's a fair point. Everyone has a limit. I suppose the answer then is that you should buy the closest thing to exactly what you want, within your personal limits.
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Well ask yourself this question:" I am going to buy a 911S. Will I regret not getting a Turbo?"
And also this: I am getting a 911 Turbo. will I regret not getting an S?
Also : Am getting a 911 Turbo S . Will I regret not getting a 4S?
Might as well ask: Am getting a 911 Turbo 4S. Will I regret nit getting a GT3?
See where I'm going?
Be aware that aside from the track, you will not, repeat not, be able to wring the max power out of your car. Nowhere, certainly not on public roads. You will like most enjoy the combination of light weight, power, torque, handling and the precision and build quality of the machine. Hopefully you'll be grinning even when grocery shopping. I do.
And also this: I am getting a 911 Turbo. will I regret not getting an S?
Also : Am getting a 911 Turbo S . Will I regret not getting a 4S?
Might as well ask: Am getting a 911 Turbo 4S. Will I regret nit getting a GT3?
See where I'm going?
Be aware that aside from the track, you will not, repeat not, be able to wring the max power out of your car. Nowhere, certainly not on public roads. You will like most enjoy the combination of light weight, power, torque, handling and the precision and build quality of the machine. Hopefully you'll be grinning even when grocery shopping. I do.
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My friend,
NOTHING is more bad *** than a wide-body on a Porsche as opposed to a narrow body... I don't care what anyone on this forum says... ESPECIALLY on a convertible, and you will have AWD to boot.
I don't know where you live, but my C4 with snow tires is actually better in the snow than my BMW X5 with all season tires! (This is more of a comment on dedicated summer/winter tires vs all-season tires, but if your P-car can perform in the snow/rain/poor weather, all the better, no)?!
You could get a set of used factory Porsche wheels on eBay for little cash, and go buy yourself a set of Pirelli SotoZeros (or equivalent) and double the mileage out of your tires (because you'll be using summers for 1/2 the year and winters for the other 1/2).
If you live in a warm climate, then who cares about the winter tires, and the C4 will out handle the C2S anyway... unless you're the Stig and even he said the AWD version goes around a track faster.
If C2S owners could have a wide body C2S, they would all crawl over it like a cheap suit in August (and all of you C2S owners know you would, lol)!
The speed limit is still 55 (or 65 depending on location)...
That little extra oomph from a less reliable motor [bore scoring] doesn't compare to seeing that wide body in your rear view mirror... or when your friends (or females if you're not married) see it parked. Which is why we buy nice cars to begin with... no?
And as for sound, for $200-$300 bucks, Fister D or Hanksville Hotrods will give you that sound... I'm sure that everyone on this forum will definitely agree with at least the exhaust sound mod.
NOTHING is more bad *** than a wide-body on a Porsche as opposed to a narrow body... I don't care what anyone on this forum says... ESPECIALLY on a convertible, and you will have AWD to boot.
I don't know where you live, but my C4 with snow tires is actually better in the snow than my BMW X5 with all season tires! (This is more of a comment on dedicated summer/winter tires vs all-season tires, but if your P-car can perform in the snow/rain/poor weather, all the better, no)?!
You could get a set of used factory Porsche wheels on eBay for little cash, and go buy yourself a set of Pirelli SotoZeros (or equivalent) and double the mileage out of your tires (because you'll be using summers for 1/2 the year and winters for the other 1/2).
If you live in a warm climate, then who cares about the winter tires, and the C4 will out handle the C2S anyway... unless you're the Stig and even he said the AWD version goes around a track faster.
If C2S owners could have a wide body C2S, they would all crawl over it like a cheap suit in August (and all of you C2S owners know you would, lol)!
The speed limit is still 55 (or 65 depending on location)...
That little extra oomph from a less reliable motor [bore scoring] doesn't compare to seeing that wide body in your rear view mirror... or when your friends (or females if you're not married) see it parked. Which is why we buy nice cars to begin with... no?
And as for sound, for $200-$300 bucks, Fister D or Hanksville Hotrods will give you that sound... I'm sure that everyone on this forum will definitely agree with at least the exhaust sound mod.
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I'm in SoCal too, and was looking at 09 and above, both Cabs and Coups. I ended up getting one of each. The wife drives the Cab, and I'm in the Coup. The decision of a Cab or Coup are clearly personal preference. It's fun driving with the top down on the coast each and every weekend. For me ,I like the lines of the coop and the rigidity. I intend to track my car once I get it set up properly.
I do not regret getting a base one single bit. I drove many S cars, and don't get me wrong with the extra horsepower is nice. However, base models are plenty fast and powerful. My decisions were based on price, mileage, history and the options on vehicles. You can't go wrong with either.
Plan on spending 5K more for an S. Also I noticed a car you're looking is a manual transmission you should drive a PDK. Until I drove the PDK I was a 100% stick I guy. The DDK transmission is bulletproof and unbelievably fast shifting. It's also much nicer as a DD.
Good Luck, Don
SoCal, OC
I do not regret getting a base one single bit. I drove many S cars, and don't get me wrong with the extra horsepower is nice. However, base models are plenty fast and powerful. My decisions were based on price, mileage, history and the options on vehicles. You can't go wrong with either.
Plan on spending 5K more for an S. Also I noticed a car you're looking is a manual transmission you should drive a PDK. Until I drove the PDK I was a 100% stick I guy. The DDK transmission is bulletproof and unbelievably fast shifting. It's also much nicer as a DD.
Good Luck, Don
SoCal, OC
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(My story: Been looking for close to 2 years for the perfect 911. May just have hit upon it. Waiting for the owner to make up his mind about my offer.
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I'd recommend going for the S. With Porsche, incremental additions have a way of being more than the sum of parts.
Also, I've driven the 991.2 base and S, and can certainly feel a difference in performance.
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Well ask yourself this question:" I am going to buy a 911S. Will I regret not getting a Turbo?"
And also this: I am getting a 911 Turbo. will I regret not getting an S?
Also : Am getting a 911 Turbo S . Will I regret not getting a 4S?
Might as well ask: Am getting a 911 Turbo 4S. Will I regret nit getting a GT3?
See where I'm going?
Be aware that aside from the track, you will not, repeat not, be able to wring the max power out of your car. Nowhere, certainly not on public roads. You will like most enjoy the combination of light weight, power, torque, handling and the precision and build quality of the machine. Hopefully you'll be grinning even when grocery shopping. I do.
And also this: I am getting a 911 Turbo. will I regret not getting an S?
Also : Am getting a 911 Turbo S . Will I regret not getting a 4S?
Might as well ask: Am getting a 911 Turbo 4S. Will I regret nit getting a GT3?
See where I'm going?
Be aware that aside from the track, you will not, repeat not, be able to wring the max power out of your car. Nowhere, certainly not on public roads. You will like most enjoy the combination of light weight, power, torque, handling and the precision and build quality of the machine. Hopefully you'll be grinning even when grocery shopping. I do.
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If your someone that likes to mod at all to make things a bit better then stock then yes NO doubt will regret not getting the S. If you plan to keep the car 100% stock and that is the owner you are then base less an issue. Base is an awesome car no doubt...
I had a base 997 and modded heavily.....now have an S and same, modded it with parts etc...
I had a base 997 and modded heavily.....now have an S and same, modded it with parts etc...
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If you want and 911 S coupe then buy that, not something else. A 911 is not a "needs" based purchase. So if you're spending the money based on wants (and we all have).. then buy what you actually want. Not something that is more sensible. Sensible is a Toyota Camry.. but you aren't shopping for one of those.
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