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Old 01-06-2018, 12:36 PM
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Shipping and down time ... I was fortunate to be able to drive my mufflers over to Darin and swap them on the spot for exactly what I wanted. Shipping hassles might have pushed me toward a local shop, or encouraged me to bring out my torch and welder. But as I said ... I was fortunate and would use Fister again.
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Old 01-06-2018, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by eagle1960 View Post
Hardly negligible. My total cost was $85. I removed the cans, supplied the 2 inch stainless pipe and had a local muffler shop do the welding.
Agree - I did mine back September '07 and still going strong. I took the mufflers out - took them to a local Midas shop and later that day put them back in - been perfect since - can't see spending the money on something pretty that you'll never see.

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Old 01-06-2018, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by eagle1960 View Post
Hardly negligible. My total cost was $85. I removed the cans, supplied the 2 inch stainless pipe and had a local muffler shop do the welding.
My total was very similar, but i took it to a welding shop so,i could get pretty welds . shipping and exchange to canada 🇨🇦 would have probably put it up to 6-700 more at least. If I was in the US , I would have considered fisters especially if they were close by.
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Originally Posted by LISsailor View Post
I imagine I do not nearly have the financial wearwithal as some around rennlist, however since we are talking about $100k cars and when exhaust systems usually run a few thousand dollars, to me, the difference between a low-quote $85 exhaust hack and $385 Fister factory-refurbish seems minimal at best. Do it right, do it once. Sorry, not trying to be insensitive. Just tying to give the best advise.
I am constantly amazed at the willingness of some people to **** their money away. The difference between $85 and $385 isnít ďminimalĒ, itís $300. Add in shipping and installation and youíre talking about an amount double that, or more.

I spent about $75 on my Gundo Hack. I ďdid it right and did it onceĒ and I didnít throw hundreds of Dollars into the trash along the way.

Its one thing to spend the money because you donít have the willingness or ability to remove the mufflers, or you have enough money that several hundred Dollars isnít important to you. If thatís the case, own it. But donít ďadviseĒ someone that there is any functional benefit from spending that money. There is not.
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Old 01-08-2018, 11:53 AM
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I am constantly amazed at the willingness of some people to **** their money away. The difference between $85 and $385 isnít ďminimalĒ, itís $300. Add in shipping and installation and youíre talking about an amount double that, or more.

I spent about $75 on my Gundo Hack. I ďdid it right and did it onceĒ and I didnít throw hundreds of Dollars into the trash along the way.

Its one thing to spend the money because you donít have the willingness or ability to remove the mufflers, or you have enough money that several hundred Dollars isnít important to you. If thatís the case, own it. But donít ďadviseĒ someone that there is any functional benefit from spending that money. There is not.
According to the owner of the Indy Shop I go to, him having seen enough failing welds and hack jobs on non-stainless cross-over pipe was enough to make me spend $300 extra for the piece of mind that my exhaust wouldn't mysteriously become louder over time. While there may not be a functional benefit, there are others which you seem to conveniently forget. I did not care to play roulette with the local exhaust shop. Yes, I did it just once and am sure I wont have to mess with it again. That is my "advice" to you.
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Old 01-12-2018, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LISsailor View Post
According to the owner of the Indy Shop I go to, him having seen enough failing welds and hack jobs on non-stainless cross-over pipe was enough to make me spend $300 extra for the piece of mind that my exhaust wouldn't mysteriously become louder over time. While there may not be a functional benefit, there are others which you seem to conveniently forget. I did not care to play roulette with the local exhaust shop. Yes, I did it just once and am sure I wont have to mess with it again. That is my "advice" to you.
"Play roulette"? Ridiculous.

This ain't rocket science. If a competent muffler shop welds a stainless tube in there, there are no worries. If Bubba glues some PVC in there and it comes apart, that's on the car owner.

If paying more for the Fisters makes you or other buyers happy, then spend it. It is what it is. But it isn't any better than a Gundo done by a competent muffler shop anywhere in the country.

The Fisters are beautifully-made pieces of art. I'll be the first to admit that my $75 Gundo Hack has horrible-looking welds. But, since no one will ever see those welds, I can't justify spending more for them.
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Originally Posted by Iceter View Post
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The Fisters are beautifully-made pieces of art. I'll be the first to admit that my $75 Gundo Hack has horrible-looking welds. But, since no one will ever see those welds, I can't justify spending more for them.
And to that end it is up to the user to determine the added value of professionally refurbished mufflers. If you're cool with sloppy welds that no one will see, fine. It would only bother you or I to know they are underneath. My point is that any performance exhaust system across any make/model is usually a several thousand $. So at this point, accomplishing the goal for $300 seems very reasonable to me.

I am not here to argue with you. But, I think it's prudent to give perspective to someone asking about the different ways to accomplish the sound-goal on a performance car.
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Originally Posted by LISsailor View Post
And to that end it is up to the user to determine the added value of professionally refurbished mufflers. If you're cool with sloppy welds that no one will see, fine. It would only bother you or I to know they are underneath. My point is that any performance exhaust system across any make/model is usually a several thousand $. So at this point, accomplishing the goal for $300 seems very reasonable to me.

I am not here to argue with you. But, I think it's prudent to give perspective to someone asking about the different ways to accomplish the sound-goal on a performance car.
I think we can all agree that whichever approach feels best for you is right. However, I hope you don't think that what you will have In the end is a " performance" exhaust.
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:50 PM
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I think we can all agree that whichever approach feels best for you is right. However, I hope you don't think that what you will have In the end is a " performance" exhaust.
This is a debateable remark. Anytime you change the flow of an exhaust system you are going to affect the performance. The question are.... is it a positive or negative affect on performance and what is the nature in change of performance.
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Do either of these mods trigger the California Smog certification shops into denying a smog certification?
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Old 01-13-2018, 04:56 PM
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Do either of these mods trigger the California Smog certification shops into denying a smog certification?
These only affect flow of gasses post cat and should have no affect on engine pollutant emissions.
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Old 01-13-2018, 05:41 PM
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This is a debateable remark. Anytime you change the flow of an exhaust system you are going to affect the performance. The question are.... is it a positive or negative affect on performance and what is the nature in change of performance.
not debatable - this is no different than the Porsche ďsport exhaustĒ (minus the ability to turn on / off) and Porsche indicates there is no difference in performance - itís simply a partial bypass of the muffler- for a nice sound (very nice)

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