997.1 vs 997.2 and the "big difference"?
#166
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So, in a big nutshell
Dry Sump = external reservoir
Integrated Dry Sump = internal , pan separated from crankshaft by baffle to eliminate oil foaming
997.1 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump
997.2 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump with improved Sump baffling to eliminate lateral pooling on sustained high turns
997.1 : 2006-2008 : 3.8L (S) (360 HP) : lots of improvements over the 996.2 - bigger engine, bigger rims, brakes, handling more sorted, clutch feels a lot better, better steering feel. Adds PASM adjustable sport suspension (you are getting an S of course so this is standard) which is very good. Oversteer is extremely well sorted now through suspension and alignment and tire sizing, if anything the cars slightly understeer out of the factory. PSM (electronic traction control) is very good - keeps you going straight without interfering too much.
997.2 : 2009-2010 : 3.8L DFI (385 HP) ; big engine improvement, moves to direct injection which gives more power, more economy, more torque. Fixes the IMS problems by having no IMS. The biggest improvements however are in the automatic (PDK) which gets the 7-speed double clutch from the Turbo, and the C4S which gets the electronic 4WD from the Turbo (PTM) (the old 4S had mechanical viscous clutch 4WD which is less effective as a 4WD but maybe is better at making the car feel like a RWD). If you're considering a C4S, especially an automatic, the 997.2 is a big win over the 997.1 ; some indications that the early engines are not sorted (eating a lot of oil); they also have tuned the suspension to be a bit more dead out of the factory, so the 997.2 is even less tail-happy and a bit more numb than the 997.1 , but you can easily have this fixed aftermarket if you want more snap. Also if you want an automatic (PDK), you must get a 997.2 with SC (Sports Chrono), the earlier automatics suck (tiptronic), and normally SC is worthless, but with PDK it is a must. Another huge change for 997.2 is that an LSD (Limitted Slip Differential) is now standard (on S/PASM cars anyway, which you are of course getting), so that's a nice bonus
let the bashing begin
Dry Sump = external reservoir
Integrated Dry Sump = internal , pan separated from crankshaft by baffle to eliminate oil foaming
997.1 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump
997.2 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump with improved Sump baffling to eliminate lateral pooling on sustained high turns
997.1 : 2006-2008 : 3.8L (S) (360 HP) : lots of improvements over the 996.2 - bigger engine, bigger rims, brakes, handling more sorted, clutch feels a lot better, better steering feel. Adds PASM adjustable sport suspension (you are getting an S of course so this is standard) which is very good. Oversteer is extremely well sorted now through suspension and alignment and tire sizing, if anything the cars slightly understeer out of the factory. PSM (electronic traction control) is very good - keeps you going straight without interfering too much.
997.2 : 2009-2010 : 3.8L DFI (385 HP) ; big engine improvement, moves to direct injection which gives more power, more economy, more torque. Fixes the IMS problems by having no IMS. The biggest improvements however are in the automatic (PDK) which gets the 7-speed double clutch from the Turbo, and the C4S which gets the electronic 4WD from the Turbo (PTM) (the old 4S had mechanical viscous clutch 4WD which is less effective as a 4WD but maybe is better at making the car feel like a RWD). If you're considering a C4S, especially an automatic, the 997.2 is a big win over the 997.1 ; some indications that the early engines are not sorted (eating a lot of oil); they also have tuned the suspension to be a bit more dead out of the factory, so the 997.2 is even less tail-happy and a bit more numb than the 997.1 , but you can easily have this fixed aftermarket if you want more snap. Also if you want an automatic (PDK), you must get a 997.2 with SC (Sports Chrono), the earlier automatics suck (tiptronic), and normally SC is worthless, but with PDK it is a must. Another huge change for 997.2 is that an LSD (Limitted Slip Differential) is now standard (on S/PASM cars anyway, which you are of course getting), so that's a nice bonus
let the bashing begin
#167
Rennlist Member
^^^^^^^^^^
Last edited by nwGTS; 08-21-2018 at 03:23 PM.
#168
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Thread Starter
Looks like a good summery. I guess the only thing I might change is that the 997.1 started 2005 and not 2006 😉
So, in a big nutshell
Dry Sump = external reservoir
Integrated Dry Sump = internal , pan separated from crankshaft by baffle to eliminate oil foaming
997.1 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump
997.2 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump with improved Sump baffling to eliminate lateral pooling on sustained high turns
997.1 : 2006-2008 : 3.8L (S) (360 HP) : lots of improvements over the 996.2 - bigger engine, bigger rims, brakes, handling more sorted, clutch feels a lot better, better steering feel. Adds PASM adjustable sport suspension (you are getting an S of course so this is standard) which is very good. Oversteer is extremely well sorted now through suspension and alignment and tire sizing, if anything the cars slightly understeer out of the factory. PSM (electronic traction control) is very good - keeps you going straight without interfering too much.
997.2 : 2009-2010 : 3.8L DFI (385 HP) ; big engine improvement, moves to direct injection which gives more power, more economy, more torque. Fixes the IMS problems by having no IMS. The biggest improvements however are in the automatic (PDK) which gets the 7-speed double clutch from the Turbo, and the C4S which gets the electronic 4WD from the Turbo (PTM) (the old 4S had mechanical viscous clutch 4WD which is less effective as a 4WD but maybe is better at making the car feel like a RWD). If you're considering a C4S, especially an automatic, the 997.2 is a big win over the 997.1 ; some indications that the early engines are not sorted (eating a lot of oil); they also have tuned the suspension to be a bit more dead out of the factory, so the 997.2 is even less tail-happy and a bit more numb than the 997.1 , but you can easily have this fixed aftermarket if you want more snap. Also if you want an automatic (PDK), you must get a 997.2 with SC (Sports Chrono), the earlier automatics suck (tiptronic), and normally SC is worthless, but with PDK it is a must. Another huge change for 997.2 is that an LSD (Limitted Slip Differential) is now standard (on S/PASM cars anyway, which you are of course getting), so that's a nice bonus
let the bashing begin
Dry Sump = external reservoir
Integrated Dry Sump = internal , pan separated from crankshaft by baffle to eliminate oil foaming
997.1 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump
997.2 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump with improved Sump baffling to eliminate lateral pooling on sustained high turns
997.1 : 2006-2008 : 3.8L (S) (360 HP) : lots of improvements over the 996.2 - bigger engine, bigger rims, brakes, handling more sorted, clutch feels a lot better, better steering feel. Adds PASM adjustable sport suspension (you are getting an S of course so this is standard) which is very good. Oversteer is extremely well sorted now through suspension and alignment and tire sizing, if anything the cars slightly understeer out of the factory. PSM (electronic traction control) is very good - keeps you going straight without interfering too much.
997.2 : 2009-2010 : 3.8L DFI (385 HP) ; big engine improvement, moves to direct injection which gives more power, more economy, more torque. Fixes the IMS problems by having no IMS. The biggest improvements however are in the automatic (PDK) which gets the 7-speed double clutch from the Turbo, and the C4S which gets the electronic 4WD from the Turbo (PTM) (the old 4S had mechanical viscous clutch 4WD which is less effective as a 4WD but maybe is better at making the car feel like a RWD). If you're considering a C4S, especially an automatic, the 997.2 is a big win over the 997.1 ; some indications that the early engines are not sorted (eating a lot of oil); they also have tuned the suspension to be a bit more dead out of the factory, so the 997.2 is even less tail-happy and a bit more numb than the 997.1 , but you can easily have this fixed aftermarket if you want more snap. Also if you want an automatic (PDK), you must get a 997.2 with SC (Sports Chrono), the earlier automatics suck (tiptronic), and normally SC is worthless, but with PDK it is a must. Another huge change for 997.2 is that an LSD (Limitted Slip Differential) is now standard (on S/PASM cars anyway, which you are of course getting), so that's a nice bonus
let the bashing begin
#169
So, in a big nutshell
Dry Sump = external reservoir
Integrated Dry Sump = internal , pan separated from crankshaft by baffle to eliminate oil foaming
997.1 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump
997.2 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump with improved Sump baffling to eliminate lateral pooling on sustained high turns
997.1 : 2006-2008 : 3.8L (S) (360 HP) : lots of improvements over the 996.2 - bigger engine, bigger rims, brakes, handling more sorted, clutch feels a lot better, better steering feel. Adds PASM adjustable sport suspension (you are getting an S of course so this is standard) which is very good. Oversteer is extremely well sorted now through suspension and alignment and tire sizing, if anything the cars slightly understeer out of the factory. PSM (electronic traction control) is very good - keeps you going straight without interfering too much.
997.2 : 2009-2010 : 3.8L DFI (385 HP) ; big engine improvement, moves to direct injection which gives more power, more economy, more torque. Fixes the IMS problems by having no IMS. The biggest improvements however are in the automatic (PDK) which gets the 7-speed double clutch from the Turbo, and the C4S which gets the electronic 4WD from the Turbo (PTM) (the old 4S had mechanical viscous clutch 4WD which is less effective as a 4WD but maybe is better at making the car feel like a RWD). If you're considering a C4S, especially an automatic, the 997.2 is a big win over the 997.1 ; some indications that the early engines are not sorted (eating a lot of oil); they also have tuned the suspension to be a bit more dead out of the factory, so the 997.2 is even less tail-happy and a bit more numb than the 997.1 , but you can easily have this fixed aftermarket if you want more snap. Also if you want an automatic (PDK), you must get a 997.2 with SC (Sports Chrono), the earlier automatics suck (tiptronic), and normally SC is worthless, but with PDK it is a must. Another huge change for 997.2 is that an LSD (Limitted Slip Differential) is now standard (on S/PASM cars anyway, which you are of course getting), so that's a nice bonus
let the bashing begin
Dry Sump = external reservoir
Integrated Dry Sump = internal , pan separated from crankshaft by baffle to eliminate oil foaming
997.1 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump
997.2 - Integrated Dry Sump / modified wet sump with improved Sump baffling to eliminate lateral pooling on sustained high turns
997.1 : 2006-2008 : 3.8L (S) (360 HP) : lots of improvements over the 996.2 - bigger engine, bigger rims, brakes, handling more sorted, clutch feels a lot better, better steering feel. Adds PASM adjustable sport suspension (you are getting an S of course so this is standard) which is very good. Oversteer is extremely well sorted now through suspension and alignment and tire sizing, if anything the cars slightly understeer out of the factory. PSM (electronic traction control) is very good - keeps you going straight without interfering too much.
997.2 : 2009-2010 : 3.8L DFI (385 HP) ; big engine improvement, moves to direct injection which gives more power, more economy, more torque. Fixes the IMS problems by having no IMS. The biggest improvements however are in the automatic (PDK) which gets the 7-speed double clutch from the Turbo, and the C4S which gets the electronic 4WD from the Turbo (PTM) (the old 4S had mechanical viscous clutch 4WD which is less effective as a 4WD but maybe is better at making the car feel like a RWD). If you're considering a C4S, especially an automatic, the 997.2 is a big win over the 997.1 ; some indications that the early engines are not sorted (eating a lot of oil); they also have tuned the suspension to be a bit more dead out of the factory, so the 997.2 is even less tail-happy and a bit more numb than the 997.1 , but you can easily have this fixed aftermarket if you want more snap. Also if you want an automatic (PDK), you must get a 997.2 with SC (Sports Chrono), the earlier automatics suck (tiptronic), and normally SC is worthless, but with PDK it is a must. Another huge change for 997.2 is that an LSD (Limitted Slip Differential) is now standard (on S/PASM cars anyway, which you are of course getting), so that's a nice bonus
let the bashing begin
Well summarized! And of course, we're all dreaming of the S!
#170
The PTM cars should behave more like a RWD car as the typical mode is almost no power going to the front wheels. The viscous coupling is very progressive and predictable but it's always sending torque forward.