997.2 Control Arm Replacement
#1
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997.2 Control Arm Replacement
2009 C2S, 93K miles
FYI
When I changed my shocks I inspected my control arms and found the rear lower arms had tears in the center bushings. I could not order the arms and install them myself.... no time ..... so I searched like heck and finally found a pair of TRW units and had them overnighted to me. I took my car the next morning, with its new shocks, to Bavarian Specialties for an alignment and threw these arms on as part of their work.
These arms were hard to find.... Pelican was out of them and didn't know when they would be in... really hard to find.
I found Importec in Texas had two arms and at a really good price.
http://www.importec.com/
Control Arm: 997-331-053-03
Porsche original: about $500 each = $1,000 parts
"Same" TRW control arms from Importec: $189 each + 38.95 overnight = $418
Alignment: $196
Labor to install arms: $321
I don't know if the tears in the bushings are all that bad, but they were definitely torn. Note that the bushing is designed to be attached on only two sides and there is an empty slot on the corresponding two sides so it is not torn clean away as it may look. My screwdriver is inserted into one of the designed slots (not a tear). It is torn where it is attached.
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Bruce in Philly
FYI
When I changed my shocks I inspected my control arms and found the rear lower arms had tears in the center bushings. I could not order the arms and install them myself.... no time ..... so I searched like heck and finally found a pair of TRW units and had them overnighted to me. I took my car the next morning, with its new shocks, to Bavarian Specialties for an alignment and threw these arms on as part of their work.
These arms were hard to find.... Pelican was out of them and didn't know when they would be in... really hard to find.
I found Importec in Texas had two arms and at a really good price.
http://www.importec.com/
Control Arm: 997-331-053-03
Porsche original: about $500 each = $1,000 parts
"Same" TRW control arms from Importec: $189 each + 38.95 overnight = $418
Alignment: $196
Labor to install arms: $321
I don't know if the tears in the bushings are all that bad, but they were definitely torn. Note that the bushing is designed to be attached on only two sides and there is an empty slot on the corresponding two sides so it is not torn clean away as it may look. My screwdriver is inserted into one of the designed slots (not a tear). It is torn where it is attached.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
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You can just replace the center bushings for anyone thinking of doing this. If the ball joint is fine and the rubber boot is in tact then no need to replace (if it wasn't damaged or bent).
Those bushings are also not oriented correctly which is probably why they failed.
They should be oriented with the thrust/trailing arm and not the LCA.
Like this (from this thread https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ion-gurus.html):
Those bushings are also not oriented correctly which is probably why they failed.
They should be oriented with the thrust/trailing arm and not the LCA.
Like this (from this thread https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ion-gurus.html):
Last edited by nwGTS; 12-07-2015 at 12:10 AM.
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#5
I'm going to order bushings rather than arms all the way around if I can help it. Check play/wear in ball joints by looking for movement while still fastened? My car has 107k mi. I see small cracking of the bushing on the rear driver's side. I'll look again when I have a minute to get dirty. With a press this should be simple.
#7
Reviving this thread with a few questions.
When I had my PPI done the tech said my front passenger "lower control arm was leaking" and that the OEM part was "fluid-filled" (and he was not referring to the ball joint). Based on the photos above, the "lower control arm" appears to have a solid-ish rubber bushing in its center.
Per the 997.2 service manual, is he referring to the Diagonal Arm (aka, Control Arm Link) vs. the Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (aka Wishbone), as seen above?
I'm finding there is a decidedly random use of vocabulary to describe parts between the Porsche documentation and parts house description.
Apparently, a Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (Porsche service manual), Wishbone (Porsche parts catalogue), Track Bar/ Track Rod (parts houses) are all the same part.
And, a Diagonal Arm (Porsche service manual), Guide (Porsche parts catalogue), Control Arm/ Control Arm Link/ Trailing Arm (parts houses) are all the same part.
But I digress, as far as you know are anyone of these parts "fluid filled"?
When I had my PPI done the tech said my front passenger "lower control arm was leaking" and that the OEM part was "fluid-filled" (and he was not referring to the ball joint). Based on the photos above, the "lower control arm" appears to have a solid-ish rubber bushing in its center.
Per the 997.2 service manual, is he referring to the Diagonal Arm (aka, Control Arm Link) vs. the Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (aka Wishbone), as seen above?
I'm finding there is a decidedly random use of vocabulary to describe parts between the Porsche documentation and parts house description.
Apparently, a Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (Porsche service manual), Wishbone (Porsche parts catalogue), Track Bar/ Track Rod (parts houses) are all the same part.
And, a Diagonal Arm (Porsche service manual), Guide (Porsche parts catalogue), Control Arm/ Control Arm Link/ Trailing Arm (parts houses) are all the same part.
But I digress, as far as you know are anyone of these parts "fluid filled"?
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#8
Three Wheelin'
Reviving this thread with a few questions.
When I had my PPI done the tech said my front passenger "lower control arm was leaking" and that the OEM part was "fluid-filled" (and he was not referring to the ball joint). Based on the photos above, the "lower control arm" appears to have a solid-ish rubber bushing in its center.
Per the 997.2 service manual, is he referring to the Diagonal Arm (aka, Control Arm Link) vs. the Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (aka Wishbone), as seen above?
I'm finding there is a decidedly random use of vocabulary to describe parts between the Porsche documentation and parts house description.
Apparently, a Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (Porsche service manual), Wishbone (Porsche parts catalogue), Track Bar/ Track Rod (parts houses) are all the same part.
And, a Diagonal Arm (Porsche service manual), Guide (Porsche parts catalogue), Control Arm/ Control Arm Link/ Trailing Arm (parts houses) are all the same part.
But I digress, as far as you know are anyone of these parts "fluid filled"?
When I had my PPI done the tech said my front passenger "lower control arm was leaking" and that the OEM part was "fluid-filled" (and he was not referring to the ball joint). Based on the photos above, the "lower control arm" appears to have a solid-ish rubber bushing in its center.
Per the 997.2 service manual, is he referring to the Diagonal Arm (aka, Control Arm Link) vs. the Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (aka Wishbone), as seen above?
I'm finding there is a decidedly random use of vocabulary to describe parts between the Porsche documentation and parts house description.
Apparently, a Lower Control Arm/ Trailing Arm (Porsche service manual), Wishbone (Porsche parts catalogue), Track Bar/ Track Rod (parts houses) are all the same part.
And, a Diagonal Arm (Porsche service manual), Guide (Porsche parts catalogue), Control Arm/ Control Arm Link/ Trailing Arm (parts houses) are all the same part.
But I digress, as far as you know are anyone of these parts "fluid filled"?
#9
hmmm, it definitely wasn't the ball joint (I'm familiar with those), and I thought I did see indications of weeping, or he implanted that in my head. The construction of the bushing on the Diagonal Arm looked like it could potentially contain fluid. i.e. it seems to balloon out on the sides more than other bushings, similar to that of a ball joint. I'll crawl under there again and get some pics this time. Thanks!
#10
Three Wheelin'
hmmm, it definitely wasn't the ball joint (I'm familiar with those), and I thought I did see indications of weeping, or he implanted that in my head. The construction of the bushing on the Diagonal Arm looked like it could potentially contain fluid. i.e. it seems to balloon out on the sides more than other bushings, similar to that of a ball joint. I'll crawl under there again and get some pics this time. Thanks!
#11
Drifting
This thread does make me wonder if stock bushings are available for the 997.2 suspension without having to buy complete control arms and related parts. Anybody know?
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https://www.vertexauto.com/
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Bruce in Philly
#13
Drifting
I appreciate the link, but their rebuilds don't seem much cheaper than new aftermarket control arms. I have an oven, a freezer and a hydraulic press. Reacing bushings is usually something I can do in my shop. I just want some stock rubber ones to tighten things up while I'm replacing my shocks.
I don't really want to go with monoball or bearings. I don't want any more NVH than stock. I'm getting old.
I don't really want to go with monoball or bearings. I don't want any more NVH than stock. I'm getting old.
#14
Burning Brakes
The 997's are fitted with "Hydraulic" front arm bushes, which are thicker than the 996 and 997.1 gt3 bushes/arms. What this means I'm really not sure....
The caster arm has a wider spacing to go over these types of bushes.
The caster arm has a wider spacing to go over these types of bushes.
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I appreciate the link, but their rebuilds don't seem much cheaper than new aftermarket control arms. I have an oven, a freezer and a hydraulic press. Reacing bushings is usually something I can do in my shop. I just want some stock rubber ones to tighten things up while I'm replacing my shocks.
I don't really want to go with monoball or bearings. I don't want any more NVH than stock. I'm getting old.
I don't really want to go with monoball or bearings. I don't want any more NVH than stock. I'm getting old.
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Bruce in Philly