Florida residents, 4S or S given the amount of rain you guys get?
#16
I was in this same conundrum last summer when I was shopping for my car. For me, it came down to just finding a car with the options which I really wanted, and then grabbing it. I kept an open mind as to 2S or 4S. As for considerations for weather conditions - I only drive my car in the warmer months, never in the winter. Now that I have my car, I'm glad it's a 4S though, as I appreciate the all weather capability and the added confidence it provides - my formative years of driving were all FWD, and only moved towards RWD in the past 9-10 years (been driving for about 20). I'm by no means a RWD maestro so often depicted by car journalists and their oversteer photos/videos, so AWD gives me more confidence.
Finally, just trying to figure out how you could have lusted after a 997 for 15 years when they only started to become available about 11 years ago? Just kidding.
Finally, just trying to figure out how you could have lusted after a 997 for 15 years when they only started to become available about 11 years ago? Just kidding.
#17
I prefer the rear wheel drive cars...why? well they handle better on the track and auto cross. 4S will push/plow in the corners and will not rotate to turn compared to a rear wheel drive version.
Plus the 4S is much heavier and the steering feels heavier.
4S is great for snow...and the AWD in the much higher powered Turbo is useful but in a car that has over 150hp LESS than a Turbo it's not needed really in dry or rain.
Plus the 4S is much heavier and the steering feels heavier.
4S is great for snow...and the AWD in the much higher powered Turbo is useful but in a car that has over 150hp LESS than a Turbo it's not needed really in dry or rain.
#18
Whatever you do make sure you test drive these cars before you make a decision. I recently had my first test drive on a pristine 997.1 Turbo that I wanted to purchase - much preferred driving my Carrera S, no offer made on the car, no longer looking at them.
#19
Ive driven my 911 GTS and now my Gt3 with sport cups in the rain with no real issues.
Florida isnt quite the rainforest. And while summer afternoon storms are frequent, they very rarely last that long.
I wouldnt let that be the deciding factor. I think there are people who prefer the feel of both so whichever calls to you
Florida isnt quite the rainforest. And while summer afternoon storms are frequent, they very rarely last that long.
I wouldnt let that be the deciding factor. I think there are people who prefer the feel of both so whichever calls to you
#20
I had a C2, C2S and Boxster S in Miami with no issues due to rain.
I did, however, manage to hydrolock the motor on my former C5 vette when I wandered into a puddle and the cold air intake snorted a pail of water. Fortunately insurance paid and it led to the installation of a 500hp stroker motor with numerous mods.
I did, however, manage to hydrolock the motor on my former C5 vette when I wandered into a puddle and the cold air intake snorted a pail of water. Fortunately insurance paid and it led to the installation of a 500hp stroker motor with numerous mods.
#21
I prefer the rear wheel drive cars...why? well they handle better on the track and auto cross. 4S will push/plow in the corners and will not rotate to turn compared to a rear wheel drive version.
Plus the 4S is much heavier and the steering feels heavier.
4S is great for snow...and the AWD in the much higher powered Turbo is useful but in a car that has over 150hp LESS than a Turbo it's not needed really in dry or rain.
Plus the 4S is much heavier and the steering feels heavier.
4S is great for snow...and the AWD in the much higher powered Turbo is useful but in a car that has over 150hp LESS than a Turbo it's not needed really in dry or rain.
It isn't going to be a performance advantage getting the 2s. Different characteristics, sure, but the 120 lb weight difference is more than made up for by added traction when accelerating. I drove 2s and 4s cars virtually back to back and steering feel was great through both and light years better than the 991.
I get other reasons, but performance really isn't one.
#22
I understand the snow issues, etc. But, I always thought the main reason to get the carrera 4 was because it was less apt to blow out the rear end in hard acceleration, as the front wheels can pull one through the slippage..
Isn't that the performance benefit - its a little safer for certain drivers or conditions (independent of weather!)
I don't have the 4, but i thought that was the case
As far as winter - snow tires are needed, and much less wide if that is your snow car.
Isn't that the performance benefit - its a little safer for certain drivers or conditions (independent of weather!)
I don't have the 4, but i thought that was the case
As far as winter - snow tires are needed, and much less wide if that is your snow car.
#23
Sambb, I think you are correct. From everything I've read about the four wheel drive system on the 997.2, and Porsche doesn't tell you much, I don't think much power goes to the front wheels during normal driving or prior to slippage. It's a performance system.
#24
Plus the 4S is much heavie
#26
Definitely. So far i've driven a 996 Turbo, 997 C4, 997 C2S, an 08 Cayman S and most recently a 2015 Cayman. My favorite has actually been the 2015 Cayman so I need to drive another and start looking at option combinations...
#27
If the 997.2 AWD system is anything like the 997.1, 95% torque goes to the rear wheel so it behaves and drives like a RWD most of the time. Up to 45% torque goes to the front wheels when it feels like it's slips (drift) so drifting the 4S is no easy task. The AWD is there when you need it so for the normal person it feels more planted, less fish tailing (which scares a lot of people). I'm used to driving the 4S with all that grip and when I drive a 2S I find myself drifting (not intentionally) through the corners, fun but not the fastest way around the track. The pro racer might be able to extract point something seconds off a track time but the average driver will find the 4S easier to drive fast.
#29
Been driving a C2 non-S for the last 6 yrs in FL, no problems in the rain, never once wished for AWD. Biggest difference was when I switched to Bridgestone RE970AS Pole Position all-season tires. Twice the wet traction, twice the tread life of the typical summer tires people buy for these cars.
#30
Hey everyone,
As I get closer and closer to finally getting my 911 I now have different circumstances to consider as I am suddenly moving to Florida.
I will be driving the car as my DD and I have a significant commute, about 100 mi each way 10-15 days a month (unless I stay the night which is possible, but i'll be doing a fair amount of driving). Should I consider a 4S for better traction in the rain?
I know it rains a lot in FL but I figured i'd ask anyways, i'm sure there are tons of people driving RWD cars with the rain etc.
As I get closer and closer to finally getting my 911 I now have different circumstances to consider as I am suddenly moving to Florida.
I will be driving the car as my DD and I have a significant commute, about 100 mi each way 10-15 days a month (unless I stay the night which is possible, but i'll be doing a fair amount of driving). Should I consider a 4S for better traction in the rain?
I know it rains a lot in FL but I figured i'd ask anyways, i'm sure there are tons of people driving RWD cars with the rain etc.
Other little things between the two is you'll get the widebody rear with the 4/4S but a slightly bigger frunk with the 2/2S.
Last edited by scorcherjf; 04-20-2015 at 02:57 PM.