Which car? 05S or 09
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Three Wheelin'
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Which car? 05S or 09
My buddy is about the pull the trigger on a 2009 C2, PDK with 38k miles.
However, I found a 2005 C2S with PCCB, Full Leather, heated seats etc, fully loaded. 38k miles.
2005 C2S - The guy is asking $39k private party
2009 C2 - Dealer sales will prob be around $51-52, so $55k including taxes.
Is a base C2 with PDK, NAV, heated and cooled seats, sport crono, worth $15k more than an 05 C2S?
Thoughts?
However, I found a 2005 C2S with PCCB, Full Leather, heated seats etc, fully loaded. 38k miles.
2005 C2S - The guy is asking $39k private party
2009 C2 - Dealer sales will prob be around $51-52, so $55k including taxes.
Is a base C2 with PDK, NAV, heated and cooled seats, sport crono, worth $15k more than an 05 C2S?
Thoughts?
Three Wheelin'
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If the 05 checks out, get it. Looks like a Launch Edition with the PCCB that had very limited production. Check to make sure the IMS has been upgraded as well....and it's an S and the 09 is a base.
Easy decision.
Easy decision.
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The 05 is a manual?
I guess regardless of the answer it would be tough to go with the older car. I love my manual, but no denying the performance and precision of the pdk. That said, I would want to be in that 09 around 48k or less. For me personally, I needed my first P car to be a good experience and I went newer and spent more than I originally planned. I'm REALLY glad I got a newer car. Now that I've had my newer CPO car, I am considering buying a 2nd, older 911. Not saying the 05 (or the 09 for that matter) will be a problem by any means, but it sucks to buy something that expensive and then sinking another $$$$ into it for repairs vs. upgrades.
I guess regardless of the answer it would be tough to go with the older car. I love my manual, but no denying the performance and precision of the pdk. That said, I would want to be in that 09 around 48k or less. For me personally, I needed my first P car to be a good experience and I went newer and spent more than I originally planned. I'm REALLY glad I got a newer car. Now that I've had my newer CPO car, I am considering buying a 2nd, older 911. Not saying the 05 (or the 09 for that matter) will be a problem by any means, but it sucks to buy something that expensive and then sinking another $$$$ into it for repairs vs. upgrades.
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Burning Brakes
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Is the 14k gonna break his bank? I went from a 996.2 to a 997.2, I could have saved a bunch of money for the 997.1. The PDK transmission is unreal compared to my 996.2 which had a Tiptronic.
If your friend is going to keep the car for a long time, I would go for the 997.2, I am also led to believe these also don't have IMS problems. The 997.2 also has an updated look with LED lights so I think these will age very well and look pretty current 10 years from now.
If your friend is going to keep the car for a long time, I would go for the 997.2, I am also led to believe these also don't have IMS problems. The 997.2 also has an updated look with LED lights so I think these will age very well and look pretty current 10 years from now.
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Is the 14k gonna break his bank? I went from a 996.2 to a 997.2, I could have saved a bunch of money for the 997.1. The PDK transmission is unreal compared to my 996.2 which had a Tiptronic.
If your friend is going to keep the car for a long time, I would go for the 997.2, I am also led to believe these also don't have IMS problems. The 997.2 also has an updated look with LED lights so I think these will age very well and look pretty current 10 years from now.
If your friend is going to keep the car for a long time, I would go for the 997.2, I am also led to believe these also don't have IMS problems. The 997.2 also has an updated look with LED lights so I think these will age very well and look pretty current 10 years from now.
I have no idea how long he'll want to keep the car, but I'm assuming he'll want to keep it for quite a while. 5+ years. $14-15k won't break the bank, but I know he would rather buy a car where he could resell within 5 years without taking a large loss. We are kind of the same where I have some BMW's that I've bought and sold and only lost $1-2k after driving them for 3yrs or so. It's sort of like buying a 996 Turbo for $50k two years ago and selling it close to that today.
I don't want to get into this but:
Yes, .2 has no IMS.
This 2005 was checked against the IMS lawsuit and the VIN was not on the list so we are assuming it has the larger bearing, which means it can't be replaced with out a tear down.
We haven't seen the car yet, planning to look at it this weekend.
Additional 2005 costs would include:
1.) Add Dectane LED's ~700
2.) HVAC control replacement ~700, owner said the button were rubbed away but the seats and everything else are pristine.
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Burning Brakes
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I would go test drive a 997.2 with the PDK to get a reference point. The interior is also much nicer going from the 997.1 to 997.2.
One question is the 997.1 a Tiptronic or Manual? If it's aTtiptronic, definitely go with the PDK.
They are both great cars so whatever decision he makes will be a good one.
One question is the 997.1 a Tiptronic or Manual? If it's aTtiptronic, definitely go with the PDK.
They are both great cars so whatever decision he makes will be a good one.
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You will discover that the PCCB brakes are virtually zero maintenance (other than flushing fluids every two years). It's a great option. The IMS issue doesn't exist for the S cars...only the 997 Carrera which is essentially a 996 engine.
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Tip cars trade a pretty good discount to MT cars. I wasn't looking for a tiptronic but definitely noticed a big price gap. I think PDK car pricing is very slightly higher than manual cars in the .2s (though I suspect MT cars will hold pricing better over longer time frame).
I looked at both .1s and .2s, though only at "s" models, and with very strong preference for manual. Personally, I avoided earlier .1s and never considered 05 and 06 model years, only 07, 08. May not be rational, just my approach to the IMS issue was to look at the newest model years.
From those two cars, I would take the .2, since the performance will be very similar, you avoid IMS, get better suspension (I noticed a big difference there) and I really do feel like the interiors of .2s hold up better (given similar mileage) vs. .1s I've seen -- which helps in resale. Just my 2 cents.
I looked at both .1s and .2s, though only at "s" models, and with very strong preference for manual. Personally, I avoided earlier .1s and never considered 05 and 06 model years, only 07, 08. May not be rational, just my approach to the IMS issue was to look at the newest model years.
From those two cars, I would take the .2, since the performance will be very similar, you avoid IMS, get better suspension (I noticed a big difference there) and I really do feel like the interiors of .2s hold up better (given similar mileage) vs. .1s I've seen -- which helps in resale. Just my 2 cents.
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IMS only an issue for base carreras? That isn't correct.
