Things a little stale in Stuttgart?
07-07-2014, 05:05 PM
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Agree with others that the newer models are better in a variety of ways, but the calculation in real life is whether there's that much enjoyment difference of those improvements for a car that is priced double to three times as much as the value of my current car. For me, it is not.
07-07-2014, 05:19 PM
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07-07-2014, 05:52 PM
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Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
While I do like the look of the 991. I like the lumpy ride of my lowered 997.
It bucks and makes noises. The brakes are grindy, the tires are thumpy, the exhaust boomy and poppy.
I'm sure a hover car will be very smooooth. But I don't want that. Too smooth, I would get me too many tickets.
I'm sure a toyotanissankiahyundia drives very nicely, but I like my 997. A little old, a little creeky, a little out of date. Just like me.
While I do like the look of the 991. I like the lumpy ride of my lowered 997.
It bucks and makes noises. The brakes are grindy, the tires are thumpy, the exhaust boomy and poppy.
I'm sure a hover car will be very smooooth. But I don't want that. Too smooth, I would get me too many tickets.
I'm sure a toyotanissankiahyundia drives very nicely, but I like my 997. A little old, a little creeky, a little out of date. Just like me.
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07-07-2014, 06:34 PM
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Absolute power, corrupts absolutely.
While I do like the look of the 991. I like the lumpy ride of my lowered 997.
It bucks and makes noises. The brakes are grindy, the tires are thumpy, the exhaust boomy and poppy.
I'm sure a hover car will be very smooooth. But I don't want that. Too smooth will get me too many tickets.
I'm sure a toyotanissankiahyundia drives very nicely, but I like my 997. A little old, a little creeky, a little out of date. Just like me.
While I do like the look of the 991. I like the lumpy ride of my lowered 997.
It bucks and makes noises. The brakes are grindy, the tires are thumpy, the exhaust boomy and poppy.
I'm sure a hover car will be very smooooth. But I don't want that. Too smooth will get me too many tickets.
I'm sure a toyotanissankiahyundia drives very nicely, but I like my 997. A little old, a little creeky, a little out of date. Just like me.
07-07-2014, 08:47 PM
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I've found the GT cruiser feel is lessened by sitting more upright and closer to the steering wheel. Keep the revs high. Open a window.
07-07-2014, 10:08 PM
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My 997.2 manual has been everything I wanted and expected. A 32 year dream fulfilled. In addition, it was engineered to be worked on. Changing the oil in my 911 is easier than my GMC truck! However, the 991 has gone away from that! Yeah the technology may be great, but it now is not simple. My next 911 will be another 997 (GT3 manual). Does this mean 997 values will start rising ??
07-07-2014, 11:22 PM
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I need a lot more time in my 997 before I can figure it out, and even consider moving to ordering a 991.
I only have 88,000 miles on my 06 and figure when I hit about 130,000 I may have finally figured it out. In the meantime I'm pretty happy with it. It's the best Porsche that I have owned--and I have been driving these things since 1974.
I only have 88,000 miles on my 06 and figure when I hit about 130,000 I may have finally figured it out. In the meantime I'm pretty happy with it. It's the best Porsche that I have owned--and I have been driving these things since 1974.
07-08-2014, 07:56 AM
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I need a lot more time in my 997 before I can figure it out, and even consider moving to ordering a 991.
I only have 88,000 miles on my 06 and figure when I hit about 130,000 I may have finally figured it out. In the meantime I'm pretty happy with it. It's the best Porsche that I have owned--and I have been driving these things since 1974.
I only have 88,000 miles on my 06 and figure when I hit about 130,000 I may have finally figured it out. In the meantime I'm pretty happy with it. It's the best Porsche that I have owned--and I have been driving these things since 1974.
07-08-2014, 08:32 AM
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I am about 2,000 miles into my 997S experience. I have no desire for a 991, unless I was wealthy to an extreme.
I do love my car, but the desire for rawness and roughness explains why I still have a 2002 Celica GTS. I have always had great handling cars that were rough around the edges, but had good gearboxes (true close-ratio setups), which didn't have gear spacing with the EPA ratings in mind. The engine in the GTS screams to 8000 RPM. The steering is something a 997 can only dream about. It's like owning a go-kart. It will always be fun.
I truly believe the best solution for me is to stay the 997S course and keep an older car or two to mix up the experience.
I'd rather have a mix of older cars than one almost super car that reflects all the pressures from all the world's regulatory agencies.
Someone who is truly a car person or -- excuse me for using this word -- an enthusiast, will never be 100% satisfied with any car coming off the assembly line. Porsche can't make this happen, nor can any other company.
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I do love my car, but the desire for rawness and roughness explains why I still have a 2002 Celica GTS. I have always had great handling cars that were rough around the edges, but had good gearboxes (true close-ratio setups), which didn't have gear spacing with the EPA ratings in mind. The engine in the GTS screams to 8000 RPM. The steering is something a 997 can only dream about. It's like owning a go-kart. It will always be fun.
I truly believe the best solution for me is to stay the 997S course and keep an older car or two to mix up the experience.
I'd rather have a mix of older cars than one almost super car that reflects all the pressures from all the world's regulatory agencies.
Someone who is truly a car person or -- excuse me for using this word -- an enthusiast, will never be 100% satisfied with any car coming off the assembly line. Porsche can't make this happen, nor can any other company.
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07-08-2014, 09:15 AM
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i read this thread and all i can think about is how my local dealer (there's just one) orders new spec vehicles with next to zero upgrades. Sure would be nice to see some nicely optioned vehicles on the floor there. Fun to look anyway, but I'm really settled in with my current iteration.
07-08-2014, 11:50 AM
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Like it or not (I sit with the latter!) the 991 must be a huge WIN for Porsche. Everywhere I turn, I see one (TTs, S’s and 4S’s, and everything in between). Has anyone been to a dealer lately? They are stacked up one atop the other like Honda Civics. On the other hand, I hardly see a 997 anymore. Seeing one is like spotting an Italian Soccer fan: rare, and shy to come out in public.
Maybe it’s only my perception, but I bet, if compared within the same lifecycle, 991’s are outselling the 997 by a high margin.
Maybe it’s only my perception, but I bet, if compared within the same lifecycle, 991’s are outselling the 997 by a high margin.
07-08-2014, 12:08 PM
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I'm a product designer myself and it's always a challenge to think ahead to the next step-change. I sit in on a lot of consumer focus groups and you'll often find that people are asking for what they have with a small feature change. Henry Ford said "If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses". The 911 seems to be filling this wish for a long time. A little faster, a little bigger, a little more comfortable. You're not going to see an electric 911 until it's well established elsewhere etc. I think that's what the 911 is all about small refinements on a good thing. Porsche has other models that allow them to make the major leaps forward.
That said, I'm like everyone else. I just want a faster 911 that looks almost exactly like the 997 with even less creature comforts. The 991 change was too much for me especially on the interior. If I could buy a 964 or 993 off the line today with modern performance I'd buy one tomorrow. If Lotus made a car that looked like the 911 with some small back seats I'd be all over that too. I'm not looking for a more complex experience I'm looking for the most simple experience a modern car can offer.
That said, I'm like everyone else. I just want a faster 911 that looks almost exactly like the 997 with even less creature comforts. The 991 change was too much for me especially on the interior. If I could buy a 964 or 993 off the line today with modern performance I'd buy one tomorrow. If Lotus made a car that looked like the 911 with some small back seats I'd be all over that too. I'm not looking for a more complex experience I'm looking for the most simple experience a modern car can offer.
07-08-2014, 05:41 PM
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I recently went from a '08 C2s to an '07 GT3. didn't think it could get much better than a Carrera - it does.
the 991 C2s is beating the 997 GT3s. I expect Porsche to continue doing what it's always done, improve each iteration.
can't wait to see what the 991 GT3 RS brings!!!
the 991 C2s is beating the 997 GT3s. I expect Porsche to continue doing what it's always done, improve each iteration.
can't wait to see what the 991 GT3 RS brings!!!
07-08-2014, 06:43 PM
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I recently went from a '08 C2s to an '07 GT3. didn't think it could get much better than a Carrera - it does.
the 991 C2s is beating the 997 GT3s. I expect Porsche to continue doing what it's always done, improve each iteration.
can't wait to see what the 991 GT3 RS brings!!!
the 991 C2s is beating the 997 GT3s. I expect Porsche to continue doing what it's always done, improve each iteration.
can't wait to see what the 991 GT3 RS brings!!!
