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Old 05-07-2013, 12:34 PM
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Default New GT3 PDK Reverses Shift Pattern!

While reading through the new (JUN) edition of "Road & Track," which is full of great Porsche content as a salute to the 911's 50th, I noticed this paragraph in the GT3 article on page 63:

"By reversing the shift pattern, Porsche has finally admittted – without actually admitting anything – that its Tiptronic (torque-converter automatic) and PDK (dual-clutch) shift levers have been backward for years. The GT3's lever now operates like a sequential race 'box, with a push forward for a downshift and a pull for an upshift."


An interesting and welcome (IMO) change. Will this new arrangement also be found in future PDK 991 cars of the more mundane variety? If so, it will finally bring Porsche into line with most of the other marques who offer similar transmissions.
And, could this helpful change be retrofitted (software?) to current 997s with PDK? Probably not, but it would be nice...
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Nope, only available on the GT3. It is called PDK "S"

Not even optional on the 991 Turbo
Old 05-07-2013, 11:15 PM
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I wish we could reverse it on our 997.2 cars too! It's so much more natural to pull for up shifts!

Is it software related or mechanical too? I am curious if anybody knows. If a vendor came up with a reversal kit I think they would sell like crazy!
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I do know that the new PDK has been extensively modified hardware-wise for the GT3 with quicker shifts, modified paddle operation (shorter throw, quicker response, and more tactile feel), lighter internals, different gear ratios, etc. My suspicion is that the stick throw direction is more than just a software change, but I don't know that for a fact....
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Originally Posted by kouzman
I wish we could reverse it on our 997.2 cars too! It's so much more natural to pull for up shifts!

Is it software related or mechanical too? I am curious if anybody knows. If a vendor came up with a reversal kit I think they would sell like crazy!
Maybe it's because I am German, but the shift mode in my PDK (push = shift up, pull = shift down) comes much more natural to me than the pattern in my BMW
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thank goodness finally they get it right. i've been struggling ever since i changed from my m3 which had it the right way in my opinion, pull for upshifts and push for down.
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The current configuration is the ultimate 'retro' style. Think about a horse. To slow the horse you pull back on the reigns. To get it to go faster you loosen the pressure with a forward motion. It's late.
Old 05-09-2013, 09:17 AM
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I could care less...I never shift with the gear shift selector. I use the paddles and keep my hands on the wheel.
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Originally Posted by Hatzenbach
... but the shift mode in my PDK (push = shift up, pull = shift down) comes much more natural to me than the pattern in my BMW
+1
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Originally Posted by mdrums
I could care less...I never shift with the gear shift selector. I use the paddles and keep my hands on the wheel.
I find it comes in handy, when you need to shift while the wheel is turned so that you can't easily reach the correct paddle
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I love my PDK, and I do find I shift with the shifter as often as I use the paddles.
My problem is Porsche's push to upshift/pull to downshift is exactly opposite to my daily driver (MINI Cooper S). Constant brain retraining. (First World problem.)
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Originally Posted by Leader
I love my PDK, and I do find I shift with the shifter as often as I use the paddles.
My problem is Porsche's push to upshift/pull to downshift is exactly opposite to my daily driver (MINI Cooper S). Constant brain retraining. (First World problem.)
Lol! I have the same exact problem since my daily driver is a Mini Cooper S too!!!

And I wonder... How the heck did Mini get it right?
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no... How the heck did Porsche get it wrong! (and it was wrong... you too Acura!)
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To think this is so complicated! I think I'll use a transmission in which I simply put a lever into a particular position for 1st, another for 2nd, and so on up to, say, 6. Oh, yeah, that's a manual transmission!
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Originally Posted by jumper5836
Nope, only available on the GT3. It is called PDK "S"

Not even optional on the 991 Turbo
they do not install an intercooler on that GT3 pdk so I really wonder how it will behave in real life conditions.
and it is still not clear to me how one is supposed to service this pdk gearbox when time will come to open it up. it was a lot of time since it was introduced but I do not think anybody ever heard a word from a factory on this matter. on a usual racer oriented RS car people redo/refresh gearbox every other season, I really do not believe this PDK is so immortal so it never needs to be serviced if driven hard.


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