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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Slamuth
I wonder if it was the IMS that failed.
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Old Jan 28, 2013 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
really depends on the agreement doesn't it.

if not, I'll just swing by, go beat the **** out of your car for a few hours and return it in whatever condition i feel.

rotting in hell? my goodness you're a drama queen aren't you.

Of course, "Rotting in hell is too strong" ... but certainly he is no Gentlemen
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by rotesAuto
Is that Steve Martin avatar?
Yep. Navin R. Johnson. Weight-guesser, entrepreneur, sharecropper-turned-millionaire, typical bastard and my hero.

Originally Posted by Quadcammer
obviously the guy could afford it. I think the bigger lesson is that you shouldn't drive an ultra rare ultra expensive race car if YOU can't afford the rebuild.
There are only two ways this can go. In both situations the owner knows that the driver can't personally pay for any damages--that's a given. So, either the owner accepts that fact and thus accepts responsibility for any potential damages, or the owner verifies that there is sufficient insurance in place to cover any contingency. If he doesn't do the latter, he accepts the former by default. Suing the driver after the fact means that the owner either (a) is a douche, or (b) had a serious lapse in judgement. I don't see either of those as a justification for putting a six figure judgement on the driver.

My two best friends have driven my car. Neither can afford to rebuild the engine. That's a risk I have taken knowingly--just as the owner of that 917 did. If one of my buddies blew my engine, I could sue him, but I know it would break him, and in the end, the ultimate responsibility for letting someone drive my car--someone who I knew could not afford to fix it--would be mine.

I'm just not seeing any responsibility issue here. The driver may or may not be responsible for blowing the engine, but there's only one person that controls who can and can't drive the car--and that's the owner. Seems to me that it's ultimately his responsibility to protect his investment.
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Old Jan 29, 2013 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceter
Yep. Navin R. Johnson. Weight-guesser, entrepreneur, sharecropper-turned-millionaire, typical bastard and my hero.



There are only two ways this can go. In both situations the owner knows that the driver can't personally pay for any damages--that's a given. So, either the owner accepts that fact and thus accepts responsibility for any potential damages, or the owner verifies that there is sufficient insurance in place to cover any contingency. If he doesn't do the latter, he accepts the former by default. Suing the driver after the fact means that the owner either (a) is a douche, or (b) had a serious lapse in judgement. I don't see either of those as a justification for putting a six figure judgement on the driver.

My two best friends have driven my car. Neither can afford to rebuild the engine. That's a risk I have taken knowingly--just as the owner of that 917 did. If one of my buddies blew my engine, I could sue him, but I know it would break him, and in the end, the ultimate responsibility for letting someone drive my car--someone who I knew could not afford to fix it--would be mine.

I'm just not seeing any responsibility issue here. The driver may or may not be responsible for blowing the engine, but there's only one person that controls who can and can't drive the car--and that's the owner. Seems to me that it's ultimately his responsibility to protect his investment.
I'm sorta with you on this. It sucks that his engine blew, but he knew this guy could not afford to fix it. So unless there is insurance, thats a risk he took. I think they should have discussed the "arrangements" up front in the case of an incident. Or obtained insurance. Failing that - dont lend out your car.
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