what are the quirks of owning a 997?
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For Virginia it is 4.57% of the assessed value of the car. Ouch.
Almost makes me want to move to DC. Almost.
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta/cartax_faq.htm#1
Almost makes me want to move to DC. Almost.
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dta/cartax_faq.htm#1
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Spokane5150,
Thanks for your detail reply. The car I am looking at already has 66k mile on it,
and the seller claimed he just did the 60k service at a porsche dealership.
The RMS and IMS is on my mind, and may be I should dump $3k to change the clutch
and upgrade the IMS and RMS.....
what about extended warranty? there are so no different company that offer aftermarket
warranty, and i heard many of them are not that good, and they are very expensive.
Anyone has good experience with good warranty company?
Thanks for your detail reply. The car I am looking at already has 66k mile on it,
and the seller claimed he just did the 60k service at a porsche dealership.
The RMS and IMS is on my mind, and may be I should dump $3k to change the clutch
and upgrade the IMS and RMS.....
what about extended warranty? there are so no different company that offer aftermarket
warranty, and i heard many of them are not that good, and they are very expensive.
Anyone has good experience with good warranty company?
At 66k, try to find out when the clutch was replaced. There are rare cars out there that have never had this work done, but don't count on it. Even if the clutch was done 2K ago, it does not necessarily mean you don't need it done now. I would ASSUME a clutch needs to be done whenever I purchase one of these cars. When it is done, the IMS needs to be considered. You can research when the 2006 cars were changed and see if yours is in the good or bad group. My car was a 2005, the engine blew up at 17K and I have a remanufactured motor. In order to test the clutch, start up and do full throttle accelerations in 2nd gear. Find a down hill if you can. The car should rip but the tach should be steady. If it is not, clutch time. I should also point out, that unlike the 993 cars, the standard 997 have a different transmission and are not suitable for factory racing parts. The GT cars have a different arrangement with alternative transmission. Those have more options. I could go on. I am not familiar with higher mileage 997. I do know 993 motors had valve guides start to wear at that level commonly and oil consumption could be an issue. Perhaps someone with more knowledge could expand on this situation if you question it. Depending on how you drive it, the warranty would be a good idea. If your only car, yes, if a secondary car, no. Only my opinion. I don't like extended warranty. Drive the hell out of it before you buy. Make sure you see problems first, not later. Good luck.
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All 2006 cars should have the new IMS bearings. They switched over around March of 2005. Late 2005 cars and on have the new bearings, at least according to the research done here on this forum.
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The car makes for a great daily driver. Here's what I've learned in the last 13.5 months with my 07 CPO C2. 26k miles and counting in that time (48k total on car).
1. Summer tires don't last long. Especially the rears.
2. I used discount tire to purchase and mount my 19's. No problems. Also, it goes fine in the snow with all season conti's on it. I also don't feel need to use 'N' rated porsche rubber.
3. Oil change is EASY and when oil is purchased on sale, about $50-60 per change. I bought enough to do 3 changes when I found it for $5/ qt. Does not require jacking car into air.
4. Brakes are very easy to replace DIY. The rotors don't have to be replaced every time, only if warped or damaged. Replacing pads is the easiest car I've changed them on. Pads run about $120 front and $80 rear (Textar-OEM supplier). I'm on original rotors and no plan to change them with next pad change unless they act up. Pelican parts has exhaustive list of parts and competitive prices, and they are very helpful on phone.
5. My clutch is fine, but I'm expecting to need a change in the next few thousand miles. Was quoted around $2k for job at a local indy race shop.
6. You have to get used to all of the compliments at gas stations and kids yelling 'nice car' out of their window at you. Also, having to explain to my 3 year old when it is appropriate to go fast and when it's not is a bit challenging...
7. Stone chips will happen. A lot in my case, but construction season and salt are a fact of life for me... I'm now needing a new front window...
8. When I switched back to summer tires, it had a pull to one direction. Dealer quoted me $500 (gasp) for alignment. Indy race shop quoted $180 but recommended I swap rubber side to side which corrected it...
9. Track day is the most fun you can possibly have. Stongly encouraged!
10. Don't go out of your comfortable budget to have a P-car. Personally, I pay cash for things like this so I don't have a monthly reminder of the cost. I just get in and enjoy. I plan to drive 200k+ miles, barring a drastic change.
1. Summer tires don't last long. Especially the rears.
2. I used discount tire to purchase and mount my 19's. No problems. Also, it goes fine in the snow with all season conti's on it. I also don't feel need to use 'N' rated porsche rubber.
3. Oil change is EASY and when oil is purchased on sale, about $50-60 per change. I bought enough to do 3 changes when I found it for $5/ qt. Does not require jacking car into air.
4. Brakes are very easy to replace DIY. The rotors don't have to be replaced every time, only if warped or damaged. Replacing pads is the easiest car I've changed them on. Pads run about $120 front and $80 rear (Textar-OEM supplier). I'm on original rotors and no plan to change them with next pad change unless they act up. Pelican parts has exhaustive list of parts and competitive prices, and they are very helpful on phone.
5. My clutch is fine, but I'm expecting to need a change in the next few thousand miles. Was quoted around $2k for job at a local indy race shop.
6. You have to get used to all of the compliments at gas stations and kids yelling 'nice car' out of their window at you. Also, having to explain to my 3 year old when it is appropriate to go fast and when it's not is a bit challenging...
7. Stone chips will happen. A lot in my case, but construction season and salt are a fact of life for me... I'm now needing a new front window...
8. When I switched back to summer tires, it had a pull to one direction. Dealer quoted me $500 (gasp) for alignment. Indy race shop quoted $180 but recommended I swap rubber side to side which corrected it...
9. Track day is the most fun you can possibly have. Stongly encouraged!
10. Don't go out of your comfortable budget to have a P-car. Personally, I pay cash for things like this so I don't have a monthly reminder of the cost. I just get in and enjoy. I plan to drive 200k+ miles, barring a drastic change.
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all 2006 has newer part, but i read that it is stronger part, but still
does not solve the problem completely until 2008+.
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my comment in BOLD
2. I used discount tire to purchase and mount my 19's. No problems. Also, it goes fine in the snow with all season conti's on it. I also don't feel need to use 'N' rated porsche rubber.
Really?? All season is fine?? how long does all season tire last?? which model did u used?
8. When I switched back to summer tires, it had a pull to one direction. Dealer quoted me $500 (gasp) for alignment. Indy race shop quoted $180 but recommended I swap rubber side to side which corrected it...
i can swap rubber side to side?!?!? does that mean i can double the life
of my rear tire too?
9. Track day is the most fun you can possibly have. Stongly encouraged!
def. in my plan!!!! do i need summer tire for that?
10. Don't go out of your comfortable budget to have a P-car. Personally, I pay cash for things like this so I don't have a monthly reminder of the cost. I just get in and enjoy. I plan to drive 200k+ miles, barring a drastic change.
i plan for 150k+ mile on it too
2. I used discount tire to purchase and mount my 19's. No problems. Also, it goes fine in the snow with all season conti's on it. I also don't feel need to use 'N' rated porsche rubber.
Really?? All season is fine?? how long does all season tire last?? which model did u used?
8. When I switched back to summer tires, it had a pull to one direction. Dealer quoted me $500 (gasp) for alignment. Indy race shop quoted $180 but recommended I swap rubber side to side which corrected it...
i can swap rubber side to side?!?!? does that mean i can double the life
of my rear tire too?
9. Track day is the most fun you can possibly have. Stongly encouraged!
def. in my plan!!!! do i need summer tire for that?
10. Don't go out of your comfortable budget to have a P-car. Personally, I pay cash for things like this so I don't have a monthly reminder of the cost. I just get in and enjoy. I plan to drive 200k+ miles, barring a drastic change.
i plan for 150k+ mile on it too
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Tires every 20-25k miles and $1900 a pop.
I've probably only had one alignment in 30 year on 20+ cars.
You have to replaced the rotors because they are cross-drilled. [/B]
I've probably only had one alignment in 30 year on 20+ cars.
You have to replaced the rotors because they are cross-drilled. [/B]
1 alignment on 20 cars in 30 years? Do you ever drive? never replaced suspension parts? WTF
What specifically makes you think that cross drilled rotors need to be replaced?
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Tires every 20-25k miles and $1900 a pop.
Brakes around $2000 DIY unless they're carbon and then $10k.
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You have to replaced the rotors because they are cross-drilled.
Yes....cannot go wrong with Mobil 1.
There are some issues with the Intermediate Shaft IMS and the Rear Main Seal RMS but if you have the car completely examined by a Porsche Mechanic he should be able to give your new car a clean bill of health.
Some people go with extended warranty. I don't plan to extend my warranty.
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I used the Conti DWS to lengthen the 'winter' season on tires. ie, I run them from early Oct to late Apr and they perform fine in warmer conditions, unlike dedicated snow tires. They are also around $100 per tire cheaper. I put about 10k miles on them. I would guess that i'll get 25-30k miles on them! Will be a year to year decision when I feel they aren't enough for snow. But second season won't be any issue at this point. I wouldn't use them on track, hence my summer tire swap. I imagine the DWS on track would be a let down after using dedicated summer tires. You could, concievably, keep the DWS on year round and purchase dedicated track rim/tire setup! That would be pretty sweet. Also, the tread pattern doesn't look appropriate in the summer...but they are quieter and softer.
This is my opinion on the DWS. I personally love everything snow and have since a child. So, car control is something I learned a long time ago on the farm. Many will disagree with all seasons, but the car goes fine in Chicago snow.
The tires are asymmetric, but bidirectional. Meaning that the outside shoulder has to always be on the outside of the car, but the tire can spin either direction. I'm not sure that swapping L-R would lengthen the life.
The PCA HPDE is really a great bargain. I've done one and am repeating it this year. As a novice, they provide you with an instructor. Mine really pushed me and helped me explore the limits of the car! Breathtaking.
Buy it, drive it, repeat!
This is my opinion on the DWS. I personally love everything snow and have since a child. So, car control is something I learned a long time ago on the farm. Many will disagree with all seasons, but the car goes fine in Chicago snow.
The tires are asymmetric, but bidirectional. Meaning that the outside shoulder has to always be on the outside of the car, but the tire can spin either direction. I'm not sure that swapping L-R would lengthen the life.
The PCA HPDE is really a great bargain. I've done one and am repeating it this year. As a novice, they provide you with an instructor. Mine really pushed me and helped me explore the limits of the car! Breathtaking.
Buy it, drive it, repeat!
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Even so, you'll be hard-pressed to find a proven IMS failure on a MY2006+ car.
Renners: Let's please not rehash all this here.
twlai: If you are so inclined, do your IMS homework by searching this forum. It's been discussed ad-nauseum.
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ok... back to the topic of quirks...
where do you guys go for car wash? especially underbody flush?
in new england, so much salt in winter, we have to flush the underbody...
where do you guys go for car wash? especially underbody flush?
in new england, so much salt in winter, we have to flush the underbody...
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10. Don't go out of your comfortable budget to have a P-car. Personally, I pay cash for things like this so I don't have a monthly reminder of the cost...
Couldn't agree more. Lots of first time buyers of a used Porsche may pay $50K for a car which originally stickered for over $100K, and they expect maintenance costs to be similar to new cars in the $50K range. They are in for a rude surprise. That's why it's important to have either an extended warranty or enough cash for a significant repair bill because regardless of what was paid for the car, the owner is maintaining a $100K car.
Couldn't agree more. Lots of first time buyers of a used Porsche may pay $50K for a car which originally stickered for over $100K, and they expect maintenance costs to be similar to new cars in the $50K range. They are in for a rude surprise. That's why it's important to have either an extended warranty or enough cash for a significant repair bill because regardless of what was paid for the car, the owner is maintaining a $100K car.