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Old May 8, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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I've never owned a clutch-type automatic transmission, but would consider a PDK in a 997.2.

Since it has a more traditional clutch(es) as opposed to a torque converter and bands, will a PDK-type auto have similar durability to a manual transmission's clutch, or can I expect it to last for years, like a more traditional automatic would?

Just wondering if I keep the car long-term, will I eventually have to rebuild the PDK as I would a manual transmission? If so, does anyone have any idea what kind of service interval the clutches have.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 03:54 PM
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The clutches are supposed to last...whathever that really means...I suppose we will find out over time.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 04:16 PM
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I the clutch in it will last as long as a manual clutch but I am sure constant use of launch control will cause premature wear just like it does doing it with a manual.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 04:51 PM
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I'm sure it is designed to last at least just past the warranty.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Iceter
I've never owned a clutch-type automatic transmission, but would consider a PDK in a 997.2.

Since it has a more traditional clutch(es) as opposed to a torque converter and bands, will a PDK-type auto have similar durability to a manual transmission's clutch, or can I expect it to last for years, like a more traditional automatic would?

Just wondering if I keep the car long-term, will I eventually have to rebuild the PDK as I would a manual transmission? If so, does anyone have any idea what kind of service interval the clutches have.
The expectation is the PDK will last a long time and this includes the clutches.

For a couple of reasons. There are two clutches. They are multiplate and each have a huge friction surface area. They are wet. This lessens the wear/tear on them. Clutch engagement/engagement is done under computer control (as is the shifting even if one uses the PDK's manual mode) so the human factor is removed.

But how long is a long time? Since PDK's haven't been in service long there is not that much real world experience to go on.

All I can say is based on what I know is while I own an 02 Boxster with a 5-speed manual transmssion the car has over 254K miles and is on its original clutch, transmission, and even engine, I would have no qualms about getting a new car (or a good used car) with a PDK transmission.

However, I've never driven a PDK equipped car so whether I purchase a car with a PDK depends upon how well I like how the PDK works, and how the car works with the PDK.

Of course, if I bought the car with the PDK transmission I would treat it as I have the clutch/manual, and that is I would avoid abusing the thing, which in the case of the PDK mainly means I would avoid overusing launch control feature, though I read that Porsche doesn't audit the number of times this is used (however, I'm not sure I believe this).

I would also treat the PDK to an early fluid/filter service (unless prohibited by the owners manual) and more frequent fluid/filter services thereafter.

IOWs, I would have the original fluid changed early, maybe as early as at the end of 'break in' at 2K miles.

Then I would probably cut the recommended service mileage by 1/3rd or even half. Say if the PDK fluid change was due at 90K miles, I'd have it done at 60K or even 45K miles, not counting the 1st/early fluid change at say 2K miles. This means the fluid would changed at 2K miles, then again at say 45K or 60K miles and so on.

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Old May 8, 2012 | 05:13 PM
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PDK should outlast manual, speically if manual is driven by someone who doesn't shift properly, albeit launch control would definitely eat out the clutch. I remember GT-R dual clutch was limited to a few launch controls only to perserve the clutch.

Now, the one big downside of PDK longevity is that IF something goes wrong with it after warranty then it's a much costlier repair and in most cases the whole thing has to be replaced vs. manual.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Macster
However, I've never driven a PDK equipped car so whether I purchase a car with a PDK depends upon how well I like how the PDK works, and how the car works with the PDK.
My recommendation would be to NOT drive one until you are seriously considering a change. For me it was over after the first test drive. Had a 997.1 6 speed and test drove an 997.2 PDK.

For two months after the first test drive I obsessed about how to justify trading a perfect CPO'ed 2007 for a newer PDK car. To end the pain, I just did it and couldn't be happier.
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