Notices
997 Forum 2005-2012
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

997.2 Engine Reliability

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-25-2012, 02:13 PM
  #31  
Alan C.
Rennlist Member
 
Alan C.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,454
Received 1,042 Likes on 535 Posts
Default

I didn't find the 964 series to be a low point. Both my 93 RSA and my 94 3.6 turbo were bullet proof. Both were tracked and the RSA had more track than street miles.

Last edited by Alan C.; 01-25-2012 at 02:33 PM.
Old 01-25-2012, 03:52 PM
  #32  
rodsky
Rennlist Member
 
rodsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: West Los Angeles & Truckee, CA
Posts: 3,974
Received 845 Likes on 574 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Alan C.
I didn't find the 964 series to be a low point. Both my 93 RSA and my 94 3.6 turbo were bullet proof. Both were tracked and the RSA had more track than street miles.
I sorta found it to be a low'ish point. I had one for 3 years. It was my least favorite Porsche. The 993 that came out was simpler, better, faster and easier to maintain. The 964 seemed to be overly engineered, too complex, too many points of failure - but thats coming from a simple guy.. 993 was a big step in Porsche's recovery.
Old 01-25-2012, 04:26 PM
  #33  
Alan C.
Rennlist Member
 
Alan C.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Ohio
Posts: 9,454
Received 1,042 Likes on 535 Posts
Default

The RSA was consistently quicker than either my 95 or 96 993. Maybe it just suited my driving style better than the 993.
Old 01-25-2012, 04:35 PM
  #34  
ADias
Nordschleife Master
 
ADias's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Southwest
Posts: 8,309
Received 395 Likes on 271 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Alan C.
The RSA was consistently quicker than either my 95 or 96 993. Maybe it just suited my driving style better than the 993.
The 964 was the last of the classics, albeit a very evolved classic. The 993 has a big aura as the last of the air-cooled, but it is the start of a major departure from the classic concept - heavy too.

Between a 964 and a 993 I would get a 964.
Old 01-25-2012, 04:57 PM
  #35  
rodsky
Rennlist Member
 
rodsky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: West Los Angeles & Truckee, CA
Posts: 3,974
Received 845 Likes on 574 Posts
Default

I'd take my old 3.2 over my 964. However, if you said it was a RSA, I'd pick the RSA.
Old 01-29-2012, 03:10 PM
  #36  
BC-997
Rennlist Member
 
BC-997's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Posts: 85
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JOL
Perhaps, but we digress. Let's get back to why I asked this question in the first place.

I'm pretty sure that the Porsche engineers have weighed the cost vs reliability parameters and I'm also pretty sure that they are not willing to share that info with the public.
Isn't your post, by definition, 'conjecture'? Just saying...
Old 01-29-2012, 08:02 PM
  #37  
SteveFromMN
Pro
 
SteveFromMN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 677
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by JOL
Perhaps, but we digress. Let's get back to why I asked this question in the first place.

I'm interested in first hand experiences. I'm not really that interested in conjecture. I'm pretty sure that the Porsche engineers have weighed the cost vs reliability parameters and I'm also pretty sure that they are not willing to share that info with the public.

So far, I have only read positive things about this engine.
I had a 99 996 for 12 years with no problems but was curious also as I read all the bad stuff over the years.
What I have learned is this:
When Porsche introduced the water cooled engine they also tried to reduce mfg cost and improve efficiency. They hired Japanese consultants. The new engine had 408 parts vs 480 for air cooled engine. They went to Locasil block. This required high pressure casting with silicon cyclinder liners. This also produced a block with an open deck. They used the IMS which had bearing problems. I think this engine design might have met the cost target by was a marginal design. Porsche chose not to use this engine in the Turbo or GT cars but instead used the Mezger engine. This engine has been bullet proof which tells me it is a stronger engine.
The new engine introduced in the 997.2 has no IMS uses Alusil block with low pressure casting technique. It has a closed deck. The vendor for both blocks is KS. They have write ups on both types on their web site. Porche is now using this new engine in the Turbo. I think that says it all.
Old 02-13-2013, 04:44 PM
  #38  
Ahsai
Nordschleife Master
 
Ahsai's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,328
Received 65 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

Hi all, any update on this thread? The last post was 1 yr ago so I assume no news is good news?
Also, any more info on the 9A1 design itself? Googled didn't turn up much other than no IMS, DFI, pseudo dry-sump, etc. Any articles giving more details explaining the engine itself? TIA
Old 02-13-2013, 05:53 PM
  #39  
slicky rick
Rennlist Member
 
slicky rick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,490
Received 85 Likes on 55 Posts
Default

Its the engine that will carry the 911 through the next decade at least..for all variants of the 911.
Old 02-13-2013, 08:11 PM
  #40  
Ahsai
Nordschleife Master
 
Ahsai's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,328
Received 65 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by slicky rick
Its the engine that will carry the 911 through the next decade at least..for all variants of the 911.
Yea, a know a lot is riding on it. I guess no news is good news here as most happy users will not come back here and rave about how reliable their engines are.
Old 02-13-2013, 08:17 PM
  #41  
jhbrennan
Rennlist Member
 
jhbrennan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin
Posts: 6,571
Received 81 Likes on 73 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ahsai
Yea, a know a lot is riding on it. I guess no news is good news here as most happy users will not come back here and rave about how reliable their engines are.
Yep - the usual posters are those having problems.
Old 02-13-2013, 08:38 PM
  #42  
wwilliams88
Drifting
 
wwilliams88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Where it’s humid
Posts: 2,869
Received 244 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

Well, as a single data point, I now have 49.5k miles on my 09 Carrera base with no engine issues. PDK seems reliable as well. Fuel pump was replaced as part of the campaign, but the old one was working fine. So far, so good. I am the original and only owner.
Old 02-13-2013, 08:45 PM
  #43  
wwilliams88
Drifting
 
wwilliams88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Where it’s humid
Posts: 2,869
Received 244 Likes on 148 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Ahsai
Hi all, any update on this thread? The last post was 1 yr ago so I assume no news is good news?
Also, any more info on the 9A1 design itself? Googled didn't turn up much other than no IMS, DFI, pseudo dry-sump, etc. Any articles giving more details explaining the engine itself? TIA
Regarding more detail on the engine, you can get the 997.2 technik book from Suncoast or donate to Renntech.org and download it. It discusses the engine with emphasis on the differences compared to the 997.1.
Old 02-13-2013, 08:50 PM
  #44  
kouzman
Racer
 
kouzman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 487
Received 24 Likes on 18 Posts
Default

the only two issues i know with the DFI engines is the fuel pump as other people said and in some cars, a bearing going on the water pump or something and changing the water pump under warranty...

Other than that i haven't read anything else...
Old 02-13-2013, 09:13 PM
  #45  
Ahsai
Nordschleife Master
 
Ahsai's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 7,328
Received 65 Likes on 50 Posts
Default

Nice to know and thanks for all the info and tips! Oh and congrats on a bullet proof platform!


Quick Reply: 997.2 Engine Reliability



All times are GMT -3. The time now is 11:20 PM.