what is better buy ?
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I've heard this before and I just don't understand why anyone would give this advice (unless one is a Porsche dealer). It seems like a recipe for eating the most amount of depreciation possible. For some people, the price of a 911 (even a new higher spec one) is no big deal and so it makes sense for them - and frankly a lot of them buy new and don't worry too much about what advice the web might give them. Anyone buying used is at least somewhat interested in value and getting the biggest bang for their $$. .
given cumulative list of differences between 997.1 and 997.2 cars IMHO it is not wise now to buy any 997.1 car when 997.2 cars went down to mid-60K price point. buying older '06 car will save you $20K but it is not where you want to save that $20K imhoas with '06 and '07 car you get no or almost no warranty left, aftermarket warranties suck and are not good altenative to CPO and I would not recommend anybody to buy a used Porsche car without CPO coverage as it may bite you hard.
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utkinpol- that's a perfectly fine opinion as well but it is a subjective matter. Nothing wrong with going earlier and saving some money for some folks and newer, warranteed cars for others. My car isn't warranteed and I'm not too concerned. Worst case is an engine failure and that's going to run what? $20k? I'm already $20k ahead of having bought a 997.2. If I need a new engine or other repair, it's not the end of the world. I can't imagine anyone spending $80k on a car getting themselves in a bind if they need $20k in cash for any emergency (not just car related). If so, then I'd argue they are not very responsible and should have bought a cheaper 911 ![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Btw - lots of people are buying older cars including (gasp!) earlier than 997s! Hell, there's even people buying used 996s and those don't have any particular historical or nostalgic value. They are just bargains for the right buyer.
Anyway, I don't at all have a problem with your point of view and am not trying to change your mind. I'm just pointing out that it is a subjective argument and there is no right or wrong.
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Btw - lots of people are buying older cars including (gasp!) earlier than 997s! Hell, there's even people buying used 996s and those don't have any particular historical or nostalgic value. They are just bargains for the right buyer.
Anyway, I don't at all have a problem with your point of view and am not trying to change your mind. I'm just pointing out that it is a subjective argument and there is no right or wrong.
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i do not disagree about bargains, I say what i think is a best buy right now for the money.
i got my base 997.1 car in 2009 when i knew very little of porsches, still, i have no regrets, it is a great vehicle and with less and less stock parts left in it - it gets better and better every season.
but unfortunately i cannot swap engine out.
so, DFI motor seems to be a very big factor from any point of view. as soon as those 997.2 cars will hit $60K price mark (and they will) I do think they will become a better option to go with. those cars are out there since 2008, now it is 2012, 997.2 really proven itself to be almost problem free in drivetrain area and this is the most expensive part of the car.
i got my base 997.1 car in 2009 when i knew very little of porsches, still, i have no regrets, it is a great vehicle and with less and less stock parts left in it - it gets better and better every season.
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so, DFI motor seems to be a very big factor from any point of view. as soon as those 997.2 cars will hit $60K price mark (and they will) I do think they will become a better option to go with. those cars are out there since 2008, now it is 2012, 997.2 really proven itself to be almost problem free in drivetrain area and this is the most expensive part of the car.
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OP, every new model gen is viewed as the next best thing until they've had time to show their warts. I remember when the 996 came out in the late 90's... a co-worker dropped a $100k retail to get one with all the options... had to have it... more power and much better than the out going 993 he said. Hmmm... history is funny that way.
I transitioned from BMW's to P-cars early last year. DFI engines have been out longer on the BMW's and VW's so we were seeing their worts on the BMW forums. Didn't buy the new M3 for this reason and went with Porsche 997.1 only to fine forum members here discussing a different potential issues - with IMS. Saw that Porsche had improved the IMS with the 06-08 MY so I was ok with that. I figured both BMW and Porsche had their own warts so I left it to the test drive to decide. Coming up on my 1 yr anniversary and I'm very happy with my '08 C2S. Pick your poison as we say here in TX then enjoy the ride. Life is too short to worry about every possible thing that might go wrong.
Get what you can afford and enjoy it sooner vs. later.
Not getting one is the worst thing you could do to yourself. My only regret in life is holding off on getting a 911 some 20 yrs ago.... BTW, had I known about all the issues with all my former BMW's upfront I would have never enjoy any one of them nor any car for that fact...
I transitioned from BMW's to P-cars early last year. DFI engines have been out longer on the BMW's and VW's so we were seeing their worts on the BMW forums. Didn't buy the new M3 for this reason and went with Porsche 997.1 only to fine forum members here discussing a different potential issues - with IMS. Saw that Porsche had improved the IMS with the 06-08 MY so I was ok with that. I figured both BMW and Porsche had their own warts so I left it to the test drive to decide. Coming up on my 1 yr anniversary and I'm very happy with my '08 C2S. Pick your poison as we say here in TX then enjoy the ride. Life is too short to worry about every possible thing that might go wrong.
Get what you can afford and enjoy it sooner vs. later.
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I've heard this before and I just don't understand why anyone would give this advice (unless one is a Porsche dealer). It seems like a recipe for eating the most amount of depreciation possible. For some people, the price of a 911 (even a new higher spec one) is no big deal and so it makes sense for them - and frankly a lot of them buy new and don't worry too much about what advice the web might give them. Anyone buying used is at least somewhat interested in value and getting the biggest bang for their $$. For some that means a young car, for others an older, more fully depreciated car makes more sense. In total cost of ownership, there is a wide range within the 997 model. For example, let's say you want to keep a car for 3 years. You could buy a 2005 C2S for $40-45K, spend $2K on maintenance and sell it for $30-35K in 2015. Total cost of ownership: ~$12K. Or you could buy a 2011 C2S for $80K, spend $1K in maintenance and sell it for $55-65K in 2015. Total cost of ownership: $20K+. That can make a big difference depending on budget and it depends what one is trying to get out of the car. I could have afforded a new C2S but I chose last year to buy a 2006 C2S because I didn't want to invest a lot of money in a weekend toy.
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I transitioned from BMW's to P-cars early last year. DFI engines have been out longer on the BMW's and VW's so we were seeing their worts on the BMW forums. Didn't buy the new M3 for this reason and went with Porsche 997.1 only to fine forum members here discussing a different potential issues - with IMS. Saw that Porsche had improved the IMS with the 06-08 MY so I was ok with that. I figured both BMW and Porsche had their own warts so I left it to the test drive to decide. Coming up on my 1 yr anniversary and I'm very happy with my '08 C2S. Pick your poison as we say here in TX then enjoy the ride. Life is too short to worry about every possible thing that might go wrong.