Palmbeacher

Exactly.

Waxer

Yes, there is no debate. The PDK at its full potential is .4 seconds or so quicker 0 to 60 then a MT driven at full tilt 0 to 60. Where that half second matters on the track and everyone is using the latest technology to gain an edge it can make a difference initially. However, I'm sure a skilled MT driver can still beat a less skilled PDK driver around the track..apples to apples.

My point is that in normal recreational spirited driving I doubt any of us can feel that .4 seconds from the seat of our pants. Whoever can feel that .4 of a second please let us know and how is it you can "feel it"?

I liked the PDK it had its pluses and minuses. I just like my 6 speed better with its own pluses and minuses. The PDK was very a very slick trans. Great performer.

They are both great choices. Just depends on what you like.

I do think that in the future the traditional 6 spd MTs will be hard to find and will be desired. Kinda like the traditional gated shifter in the Ferraris. Hard to find in a sea of paddles. A diamond in the rough.

ADias

If you do not feel a .4 sec diff in a 0-60 run... why do you drive a sports car?

0.4 s at 60MPH is 35 feet...

Skibum

4 tenths of a second is an eternity.

Mike in CA

Exactly. And that is under ideal conditions with a MT, ie. with someone who really knows how to work it and is trying hard. I would suggest that in day to day driving the PDK feels even quicker because it makes speed so effortlessly. I know, I know, I keep hearing that the effort is what all the fun is about, right? Been there done that many, many times. But it's also fun to be almost 3 car lengths in front of the MT driver by the time you reach 60, not that I would ever engage in such behavior.

JamesT7

Thanks Everyone,

I will say this again. My interest isn't which is better we could debate that forever and neither side is a clear winner. What I am trying to figure out is how PDK owners drive their cars on the road, in traffic, cursing along, fun country roads and the track. As I wrote before in almost every case when I have purchased a performance sedan I play with the sport shifting but in a short period of time I end up driving it in auto 99% of the time.

As several have said about driving manual cars. I am the kind of person that likes to shift and be engaged in my driving. In the case of the PDK. I see the positives when in traffic which I am at times. PDK would be great then. As I have read the posts I like the fact that several PDK owners shift and drive similar to when they had manuals.

Please keep the thoughts coming regarding how it is to drive and what experiences you have had.

Thanks,

blake

I think PDK on the track is cheating.... There, I said it...

Let me first comment that PDK is an amazing technological achievement. It changes everything, and I truly believe that. On the street, it is better than Tip and a very fine way to travel in a GT car. On the track, it allows lesser drivers to post faster lap times and think they are better than they really are.... And that is the rub.

I have compared in previous posts the advent of the dual-cluth to the introduction of "shape skis" in alpine skiing (circa 1998). Up until that time, 95% of skiers struggled with looking and skiing like novices. The top 5% were able to stem-christie, literally bounce on their skis, and carve perfect turns. This ability took YEARS of practice, amazing athelticism and dexterity. However, once the shape ski came out (think of leaning left on a skate board and the turn just happens), the middle 50% now look like experts on groomed runs and no doubt are having much more fun. This has been GREAT for the ski industry, as more people can look good and feel good. However, swagger in the apres ski lounge and on the lift has hit an all-time high.

So is PDK on the track really cheating? Of course not. It just feels like it is... It will be a blast when ALL cars come equipped with it. Hell, I stuggle with heel-n-toe and would rather not have to learn it. But what will be left to separate the men from the boys??? Everyone has anti-lock brakes, electornic nannies, and now automated rev-match shifting. What next? Programs to drive-by-GPS the ulimtate lap based on my Traqmate compilation of Rennlists fastest laps ? Just sayin...

-B

Alan Smithee

I have owned Porsches for my entire adult life, and not once have I ever timed a 0-60 run. I've driven on racetracks around the world, but never drag raced.

Mike in CA

A 0-60 result, whether you've ever been timed or not, is a broad indicator of a car's straight line performance. The point that was being made is that a .4 second difference to 60 is significant enough that you could definitely feel it "seat of the pants".

Skibum

You don't stop doing things because you old, you get old because you stop doing things.

Mike in CA

You bring up some interesting points. Just as an example, I've autocrossed Lotuses and Porsches for 35 years with MT's, won my class a few times, and learned the techniques required to be competitive. But when I post a top 5 time do I feel like I'm "cheating" now that run a PDK in my otherwise stock Carrera S? (well, I do use R-comp tires ) ? Hell no! Not unless you count having a modified suspension, exhaust, engine, race seat, brakes, slick tires, etc., etc. as cheating. PDK is legislated against just like any other performance modification. In our PCA Region a 15 point surcharge is incurred for PDK which, if you run R-comps and have a factory sport suspension can bump your Carrera S up into the next class running against GT3's. Cheating? Ha!

MikeBat

This is not directed at you, but at an opinion you so well boiled down to one phrase.

Why do we need to compete at who is the most manly?

Fun, that is what this is about, right?

tbrom

Seems like it should be MikeBat!

Macster

I would accept your statement:

"If I want to have a classic sports car experience in one of the worlds greatest sports cars it's got to be the traditional MT."

if you also deleted the good heater/AC, dimmed the nice bright bi-xenon headlights, removed the modern nice fat tires for for some skinny old ones, made the brakes smaller, did away with all the modern suspension and handling refinements and aerodynamic refinements, stripped out all that nice sound deadening, removed the anti-rust protection from the body metal, poked some holes in the oil lines and loosened some bolts to allow some gaskets to seep oil, tossed in a few rattles and electrical gremlins, removed the modern engine controller, ripped out the injectors and replaced them with carburetors, added a distributor with points and mechanical advance, and then you would have that "classic sports car experience".

Claiming the presence of a MT gives one that classic sports car experience in a modern sports car like a Porsche is akin to donning an old WWI flying scarf and leather flight jacket before boarding a modern commerical jet and claiming the flight gives one the "classic biplane experience".

Sincerely,

Macster.

Betternotbigger

Macster you miss the point. Whether the heater is on, the sound deadened or the body rusting away, none of these takes any effort on the driver's part. A perfectly executed rev matched heel and toe 6th to 3rd or 5th to 2nd downshift in a MT takes what?

Skill, of course