New Carrera 4 GTS announced
#31
Burning Brakes
According to the car configurator on the Porsche website there are currently 24 versions of the 911 available in the U.S.
Carrera
Carrera S
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera 4
Carrera 4S
Carrera 4 Cabriolet
Carrera 4S Cabriolet
Carrera GTS
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
Black Edition
Black Edition Cabriolet
Targa 4
Targa 4 S
Turbo
Turbo S
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 RS
GT3 RS 4.0
GT2 RS
Speedster
Carrera
Carrera S
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera 4
Carrera 4S
Carrera 4 Cabriolet
Carrera 4S Cabriolet
Carrera GTS
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
Black Edition
Black Edition Cabriolet
Targa 4
Targa 4 S
Turbo
Turbo S
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 RS
GT3 RS 4.0
GT2 RS
Speedster
#33
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Our company is Canada's largest automotive content provider and I have a test loop. We had staff at the long-lead in California in November as well. It's a stretch (and Porsche knows it) to hang any discernible difference on these model refinements.
Is it a great car? Yep. A good value? Sure. Does it perform any differently on public roads? Not one iota.
The wide fenders and RWD are neat but the former is simply a cosmetic consideration so Porsche can spare me all the proclamations regarding the purity of this or that as a performance improvement.
Call it what it is...trim variations.
I may be old school but there's the Carrera, the Turbo and the GT cars. Those are the three REAL variations. The rest is minutia.
Is it a great car? Yep. A good value? Sure. Does it perform any differently on public roads? Not one iota.
The wide fenders and RWD are neat but the former is simply a cosmetic consideration so Porsche can spare me all the proclamations regarding the purity of this or that as a performance improvement.
Call it what it is...trim variations.
I may be old school but there's the Carrera, the Turbo and the GT cars. Those are the three REAL variations. The rest is minutia.
#34
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According to the car configurator on the Porsche website there are currently 24 versions of the 911 available in the U.S.
Carrera
Carrera S
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera 4
Carrera 4S
Carrera 4 Cabriolet
Carrera 4S Cabriolet
Carrera GTS
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
Black Edition
Black Edition Cabriolet
Targa 4
Targa 4 S
Turbo
Turbo S
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 RS
GT3 RS 4.0
GT2 RS
Speedster
Carrera
Carrera S
Carrera Cabriolet
Carrera 4
Carrera 4S
Carrera 4 Cabriolet
Carrera 4S Cabriolet
Carrera GTS
Carrera GTS Cabriolet
Carrera 4 GTS
Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet
Black Edition
Black Edition Cabriolet
Targa 4
Targa 4 S
Turbo
Turbo S
Turbo Cabriolet
Turbo S Cabriolet
GT3
GT3 RS
GT3 RS 4.0
GT2 RS
Speedster
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It's the notion that this is noteworthy that gets people's ire up. Read their materials and presentation and seriously...**** off! Trim package, option package, whatever is fine. They are insulting the die hard enthusiast with proclamations of performance and meaningful distinction. I drove a GTS recently...you're fooling yourself if you think it's 2% different than a base Carrera...sorry...
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If you feel you can benefit from that power difference in a road car then great. Maybe it's just me.
#37
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A month ago I was sittin' around with my Porsche buddies and stated that I would like my next 911 to be a GTS with PDK. Knowing that I like to drive my Porsche year round a friend reminded me that it only comes as a rear wheel drive. To which I responded, "You are right....bummer."
Therefore the Carrera 4 GTS is perfect for me. Would someone please order a black on tan combo with some nice extras and take good care of it for about 3 years?
Therefore the Carrera 4 GTS is perfect for me. Would someone please order a black on tan combo with some nice extras and take good care of it for about 3 years?
Last edited by Mark Harris; 05-14-2011 at 04:22 PM.
#38
Three Wheelin'
You want ridiculous, consider the possible combination of a single base Carrera. You have one car with approximately 220 options (from the configurator and not including any special requests like PTS). Without figuring out the options that are repetitive (e.g. aluminum door sills, leather sills), the number of combinations are insane (nCr). The result is 2.2839 x 10(to the 421 power). (Even if you cut the options in half you'd still have 1.5882 x 10(to the 178 power).)
I'm really not a math whiz so please correct my math or assumptions if I've erred.
Expand this across a line of 24 models (with different option combinations) and it's no wonder that there are so many posts about "Help me spec. my car".
I'm really not a math whiz so please correct my math or assumptions if I've erred.
Expand this across a line of 24 models (with different option combinations) and it's no wonder that there are so many posts about "Help me spec. my car".
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Everyone has their opinion of whats enough HP. TT folks scoff at 385HP. For me right now, Its almost enough. Waiting to see what a 991 brings.
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No offense intended but I certainly can as I have a 345HP car and a 385HP car and there is a noticeable difference. Now I suspect that it may be hard to notice the difference from 385HP to 408HP. But i would like a GTS nontheless. Not worth a $40K check though.
Everyone has their opinion of whats enough HP. TT folks scoff at 385HP. For me right now, Its almost enough. Waiting to see what a 991 brings.
Everyone has their opinion of whats enough HP. TT folks scoff at 385HP. For me right now, Its almost enough. Waiting to see what a 991 brings.
#42
A month ago I was sittin' around with my Porsche buddies and stated that I would like my next 911 to be a GTS with PDK. Knowing that I like to drive my Porsche year round a friend reminded me that it only comes as a rear wheel drive. To which I responded, "You are right....bummer."
Therefore the Carrera 4 GTS is perfect for me. Would someone please order a black on tan combo with some nice extras and take good care of it for about 3 years?
Therefore the Carrera 4 GTS is perfect for me. Would someone please order a black on tan combo with some nice extras and take good care of it for about 3 years?
#43
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+1. 911s are no problem in the snow with the right tires (think about all the weight over the driven wheels;-)