About to pull the trigger on my first 911. Need last minute help.
04-09-2011, 10:52 PM
#16
Pro
Leaking headlight washers replacement/repainting of a quarter panel or hood all sort of indirectly point to some sort of front damage beyond paint chips.
911's do get a lot of chips because of the low hood. My car has quite a few @ 50k+ mi, but the fog of love hides them from my eyes.
911's do get a lot of chips because of the low hood. My car has quite a few @ 50k+ mi, but the fog of love hides them from my eyes.
04-10-2011, 01:15 PM
#19
Nordschleife Master
pass...
04-10-2011, 01:27 PM
#20
Unique Title
Rennlist Member
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But not flushing the fluids, worn tires, worn pads, etc. says this car was not maintained well. It's not listed, but I'm gonna guess the oil hasn't been changed very often as well. This one looks like a pass to me, too.
04-13-2011, 09:53 PM
#21
Race Director
Just got a call from the P-car dealer, PPI done. Here is the result:
THE BAD:
1. Front bumper(both sides), left quarter panel, hood have been repainted or replaced.
2. Front brakes only 20%, rears 30% - need replaced
3. Brake fluid - black, needs flushed
4. Headlight washers not working with leaks under the car - needs replaced or connections checked, requires removal of front bumper to do
5. All 4 tires at 4-5mm, will need replacement soon (about 3-4K miles left)
6. All 4 wheels have been refinished
7. Cigarette lighter not working, possibly bad fuse
8. Lots of paint chips on front bumper
THE GOOD:
1. DME report notes no revs in 4,5,6 only a few in 3, rest are in 2
2. RMS dry - no leaks
3. Car structurally fine - no signs of frame damage
4. All electronics work
5. Service records indicate recent service including oil change/spark plugs at 32K miles
6. Test drive good - no pulling to the sides, no abnormal noise, clutch is tight
Dealer estimates approx. $4000 which includes new tires all around to bring it back to spec or CPO condition
What should I do??? Talked to seller who was 'shocked' at all the needs, states he can have his 'local' mechanic do it cheaper...that worries me, how can I prove it was done correctly?
That was the best $225 I spent for a car, great piece of mind before dropping major coin on someone else's problem...especially for one that looks mint in pics, but has underlying problems.
Selling price before PPI was $41K...it is even worth going after this car or too much of a headache Should I bargain the seller down to $38K (which I doudt he will agree to) for all the upcoming costs??
THE BAD:
1. Front bumper(both sides), left quarter panel, hood have been repainted or replaced.
2. Front brakes only 20%, rears 30% - need replaced
3. Brake fluid - black, needs flushed
4. Headlight washers not working with leaks under the car - needs replaced or connections checked, requires removal of front bumper to do
5. All 4 tires at 4-5mm, will need replacement soon (about 3-4K miles left)
6. All 4 wheels have been refinished
7. Cigarette lighter not working, possibly bad fuse
8. Lots of paint chips on front bumper
THE GOOD:
1. DME report notes no revs in 4,5,6 only a few in 3, rest are in 2
2. RMS dry - no leaks
3. Car structurally fine - no signs of frame damage
4. All electronics work
5. Service records indicate recent service including oil change/spark plugs at 32K miles
6. Test drive good - no pulling to the sides, no abnormal noise, clutch is tight
Dealer estimates approx. $4000 which includes new tires all around to bring it back to spec or CPO condition
What should I do??? Talked to seller who was 'shocked' at all the needs, states he can have his 'local' mechanic do it cheaper...that worries me, how can I prove it was done correctly?
That was the best $225 I spent for a car, great piece of mind before dropping major coin on someone else's problem...especially for one that looks mint in pics, but has underlying problems.
Selling price before PPI was $41K...it is even worth going after this car or too much of a headache Should I bargain the seller down to $38K (which I doudt he will agree to) for all the upcoming costs??
Good body shops do good body/paint work but it is the rare body shop that does good mechanical work. And Porsche requires that if a car repaired in order to keep any warranty in effect the parts must be bought from PCNA, ordered through an authorized dealer and installed by a dealer technician.
Many who have their Porsche repaired rely upon the body shop for all the work.
Based on what you find under the front bumper cover, you can elect to continue with the car or walk away.
You can't know if the local mech did good a job or not until after you buy the car and then maybe the local mech warranties his work, but do you really want to take it back there if its 1st attempt at working on the car was bad enough to require you bring the car back to him?
What I'd advise you do is get an estimate from a good nearby Porsche dealer for the necessary servicing and work and adjust your offer for the car by that amount.
If you end up with the car and want to have the dealer do the work, fine. If you want *your* local mech to do the work, if you trust him, fine. Or if you want the other guy's local mech to do the work, if you trust him, fine. Or if you want to do some of the work yourself, and have some done elsewhere, fine.
Just don't pay good or excellent money for a car that is in less than good condition.
Sincerely,
Macster.
04-14-2011, 12:51 PM
#22
Three Wheelin'
too many great 911's available to worry with this one. this is like facing 3rd and 25 with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter, and you have a 21 point lead. you punt, and get out of there with a win.
