91469972

Buy what ever you like and don't condem what choices each of us make. I went with PDK so who really cares but me.

pissedpuppy

which F1 guys are you friends with? and what do they drive at home?

JohnAMG

It is red, silly you

John

JohnAMG

Agree. I love my PDK and wouldn't have it any other way. Kudos to the guys/gals with 6-speed too. If having PDK is considered not a Porsche purist or enthusiast, so be it. At the end of the day, I am still driving a Porsche and I perfectly happy with that.

John

Bob Rouleau

Synchromesh is for lazy drivers who don't get involved and can't double clutch <snicker>

axhoaxho

F1 cars actually use a form of sequential gearbox, which indeed is more similar to a manual transmission than we would believe. They just add electro-hydraulics paddles and the F1 drivers still have to shift gears manually. Full automatic mode is not allowed (which is like the 'D' mode in your shift gate.)

In fact, F1 cars still have a manual clutch, but is used for different purposes due to F1 rules. Frankly, I think the F1 drivers would love to have a 'traditional clutch' inside the cockpit, because it can hlep the drivers to hold the clutch at a specific point to help theirs cars to getawy at the start of the race (however, such advantage is prohibited by F1 regulations.)

Regards,

MLindgren

So exactly how long does it take to engage the sport chrono plus button while it is in drive?

docfink

Mark Weber just got a new GT2RS--6 speed manual!

axhoaxho

Reckon Porsche stopped using the dual-clutch transmssion (aka PDK) after just a few years of racing in the 1980's, and back to the sequential gearbox in their race cars -- lighter, stronger, smaller, less complex, and the constant-mesh straight-toothed gears combine with race driver skills yield almost negligible shifting time disadvantages (full automatic shift mode is prohibited in most races, anyway.)

If I remember correctly, even the brand new Porsche 918 RSR race car actually does not use PDK either, but a rather traditional 6-speed straight-toothed constant-mesh 'sequential' manual transmission. The recent RS Spyder and GT3RSR (which just won Le Mans last year) did not have PDK as well.

Most of those race cars (e.g. F1 cars) that you folks refer to in this thread are not PDK, they are just good old sequential manual transmissions with electro-hydraulics paddles that still require manual shifting action by the race drivers (no 'D' mode like in your shift gate.)

Regards,

alexb76

As I said before, this is a pointless debate, it's a totally personal preference and I am glad we have the choice.

However, I HAVE TO CORRECT YOU... Porsche does NOT use PDK in ANY of their race cars! and I do KNOW it because I was part of Nuburgring and Hockenheim Porsche cup races last summer! it's either manual, or, sequential gearbox.

Mike in CA

All due respect, but I'm not sure exactly what your point is. A racing sequential gearbox would be totally inappropriate for a street driven car. The dual clutch PDK, OTOH, gives most of the performance benefits of a sequential box along with the much higher degree of refinement that street driving demands. Like the sequential racing box, it doesn't require the driver to work a clutch pedal, and is essentially a manual gearbox that is shifted with paddles. Also, having the ability to put the PDK gearbox in "D", as well the manual shift mode, is a benefit that provides welcome flexibilty for the street; it's not a drawback. In concept, PDK is closer to the sequential gearboxes Porsche uses for racing, than is a conventional manual transmission.

BTW, the 918 RSR uses a 6 speed paddle shift gearbox derived from the RS Spyder. It's not a "traditional....manual transmission"; no clutch pedal or shifter.

axhoaxho

Relax, you are tunneling yourself into the semantic.

Regards,

Bob Rouleau

The next generation Porsche GT3 race cars will use a PDK transmission. PDK is a lot closer to the the Seamless Shift gearboxes used in F1. I really don't understand the emotion this topic engenders. I have one of each and like them both. OTOH my RS is mostly track and I wish it had PDK - faster shifts, constant torque means up or down shifts do not cause a weight transfer - which is a big deal on a race track.

Pick your favorite and enjoy.

gravedgr

This is it exactly for me - if my GTS were going to be used mostly as a track car, I would have gone for PDK as it is clearly superior in that arena; as a daily driver where most of my driving is relaxed, I prefer the satisfaction of rowing my own.

Quadcammer

I think the problem is that those of gear rowers are getting worried that porsche and other high end sports car makers will abandon the manual gearbox entirely (as ferrari has done) in the pursuit of ever greater performance figures that are generally meaningless.

If Porsche wants to offer the PDK, thats great, and if you like it, awesome. But when I stop having the choice of a manual gearbox, I would be pissed.

I have zero interest in the 458, regardless of how technically good a car it may be, because of the lack of a manual. Same goes for the new Mclaren.