Chris from Cali

My 997.2 feels much stronger than my 997.1 did. I think my 997.1 had a better exhaust note (could be that third muffler on the 997.2), but otherwise the newer car wins on all counts.

Like dhud said, after driving the Turbo and C4S back-to-back, I couldn't see where I'd use the Turbo's extra performance, considering the 997.2 C4S is already way too fast for where I live. It's a great car... I just wish I'd gone with a 6-speed instead of PDK (a completely different story).

alexb76

I OWE EVERYONE a thorough review of 6-speed 997.2 C4S at Nurburgring last summer! I have no idea how in the world I haven't finished it, wrote it in a word doc and never got to post! Hopefully soon.

Now, I glanced over the posts and as I suspected everyone with 997.2 will talk about HOW MUCH BETTER IT IS, etc... and to me, it's absolutely not true.

You do NOT feel much power gain during daily drives and actually the car *feels* less sporty as the DFI engine and exhaust are significantly muted compared to 997.1... the car has lost a bit of its edge. Is it faster? ofcourse... do u feel it, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

Now, I am not gonna open a can of worms here... but to me, the ONLY reason one should upgrade to 997.2 is IF they like *options* not offered in 997.1! Namely: PDK, Sport PASM suspension, LSD, and better NAV with Bluetooth. The base model 997.1 and 997.2 are extremely close in all areas and I personally would choose 997.1 as it just sounds and feels much more enjoyable.

Full review... to come!

alexb76

I answered that in the last post, but basically you do NOT feel the difference! Contrary you *feel* faster with 997.1 and it sounds MUCH better throughout the RPM range!

Alan C.

After driving an '08' 997.1S I decided to keep my '09' Cayman S. The 997.1S didn't feel like it was worth trading. Then I drove an '09' 997.2 and I thought it felt better, seat of the pants, and had better power delivery. In the end my checkbook voted for the '09' 997.2S and I am happy with my choice.

pewter82

Thanks everybody !

Fahrer

I don't get it. There has got to be a more significant difference in power delivery between a 997.1S and a 09 Cayman S than a difference between a 997.1S and a 997.2S. The difference between a 997.1S and a 997.2S is about 0.1 sec. from 0 to 60. The difference between 997.1S and a 09 Cayman S is more like 1.0 sec.

Alan C.

At VIR an 09 Cayman S PDK and an 09 997.2S PDK turned identical lap times. I would think that a 997.1S would be slower. I didn't mention it but my Cayman S had PDK. Great car, I just wanted more interior space.

rijowysock

my experience was 997.1 6speed i owned and 997.2 PDK, difference was insane..

but 6speed to 6speed, i cant say anything, the DFI wakes up faster and has better response, but the PDK is the biggest improvement IMO.. it was like a rocket compared to my 997.1.

ADias

A different opinion... I have driven 997.1s extensively and I could tell the difference in elasticity, eagerness to rev the 3.8DFI offers, the first time I drove one. The same impression was confirmed many times up until I got one. The difference is significant.

alexb76

We have to agree to ABSOLUTELY disagree!

6-speed to 6-speed is absolutely not noticable... if you add PDK, ofcourse the shifting speed makes a difference and is noticable!

ADias

You think I do not know the difference between engine elasticity, rev eagerness and shifting speed?

I am not a dragstrip enthusiast but I suggest you take a stock 997.1 against a 977.2 to a timed run with a competent driver and see for yourself.

BTW the 997.2 Turbo DFI is also superior to the 997.1 TT. The April issue of Excellence agrees.

utkinpol

it is exactly the point - stock m96 and m97 based 997.1 cars have issues not with power but with linearity of torque/power in upper band.
it is easy to fix with ECU flash and some mods, after that it starts to pull with same uniform fashion and I can say I would like to see one who can say 340hp engine from 380 hp engine at 7000 rpm.

what people feel usually is a different pull sensation of DFI engine compared to stock m97 as DFI engine got much smoother torque graph with less fluctuations. tuned X51 m97 should be very close to DFI in this regard IMHO.

Fahrer

I thing that the DFI engines have an initial throttle response ( split second) that is more immediate) than in a port injected engine but I do not see this as being as significant with power delivery. I have DFI with my BMW 535 ( granted, a different engine) and the initial throtle response ( tenth of a second?) is quick but I do not see where this is a real factor in overall power delivery.

CBnAT

I put 30k on my 08 C2S and I am approaching 1k on my 2011 C4S, both are 6MT. Even with the added weight the C4S feels more responsive and powerful. I do have the sports exhaust so I like the sound as well. This time I also got the short shift kit and I prefer it over the standard as well.

Whether the improvement is worth the price of admission is a separate and personal issue, but there is a difference between the two cars.

pissedpuppy

can X51 be installed later (is it an option for me)? cost from Porsche?