E15 is not better, its politically motivated and found not to be too damaging.

The whole idea of ethanol based fuel is stupidity because it is an economic boondoggle to produce these fuels... the cost to make the ethanol and transport it to the refiners to mix in with the gasoline doesn't make economic sense, from what I recall.

Its a farm subsidy that we must all pay for.

 

Actually, there is.
The government cannot deprive you of your property just for the heck of it without adequate compensation. The US Constitution says so.

And cash for clunkers was not as useful as it could have been. It allowed folks with inefficient clunkers to replace them with slightly less inefficient clunkers. So you still have vehicles that are not efficient by today's standards. But if you had an efficient car and wanted a much more efficient car (would have reduced pollution and consumption just as much as the clunkers) you were not eligible.

That was the result, of course, of the cash-for-clunkers program being primarily to drive the purchase of new US carmaker's vehicles in as much as possible. Congress new the could never have been able to specify you had to buy a US maker's car, so we got the next best thing: target folks that drive primarily US vehicles with something, knowing they will likely replace them with more US vehicles.

 

Well, here we go: U.S. corn ethanol "was not a good policy" -Gore

http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...101122?sp=true

These people lack the foresight to see the unintended consequences of their policies and unfortunately never learn, but just push for more government fixes for problems they created in the first place (read the last paragraph). Stupid Hope and Change hippies.

 

Gore and the ecos think the Stone Age ended because we ran out of stone.

 

Many cars turned in for the cash for clunkers program were worn out but many were not. IIRC one requirement was the car had to be running, too.

Anyhow the program required the engines be destroyed by running some fluid in the oil that caused the engines to lock up. Then the cars were cars stripped of more hazardous items then crushed thus depriving the salvage car market considerable volume of salvaged parts.

A lot of low income people rely upon salvage yard parts to keep their older cars on the road.

Cash for Clunkers was a lame *** idea. There was zilch bump in car sales cause as soon as the program ended car sales dropped. It brought no new buyers into the car market.

Sincerely,

Macster.

 

How can I find stations that don't sell Ethanol based fuels?

 

Ethanol Free: http://pure-gas.org/

Not too many out there. Many states have none.

 

Check this latest out:

http://af.reuters.com/article/energy...101122?sp=true

U.S. corn ethanol "was not a good policy"-Gore

* U.S. ethanol consumes about 40 pct corn crop

* Impact on food prices "real"

By Gerard Wynn

ATHENS, Nov 22 (Reuters) - Former U.S. vice-president Al Gore said support for corn-based ethanol in the United States was "not a good policy", weeks before tax credits are up for renewal.

U.S. blending tax breaks for ethanol make it profitable for refiners to use the fuel even when it is more expensive than gasoline. The credits are up for renewal on Dec. 31.

Total U.S. ethanol subsidies reached $7.7 billion last year according to the International Energy Industry, which said biofuels worldwide received more subsidies than any other form of renewable energy.

"It is not a good policy to have these massive subsidies for (U.S.) first generation ethanol," said Gore, speaking at a green energy business conference in Athens sponsored by Marfin Popular Bank.

"First generation ethanol I think was a mistake. The energy conversion ratios are at best very small.

"It's hard once such a programme is put in place to deal with the lobbies that keep it going."

He explained his own support for the original programme on his presidential ambitions.

"One of the reasons I made that mistake is that I paid particular attention to the farmers in my home state of Tennessee, and I had a certain fondness for the farmers in the state of Iowa because I was about to run for president."

U.S. ethanol is made by extracting sugar from corn, an energy-intensive process. The U.S. ethanol industry will consume about 41 percent of the U.S. corn crop this year, or 15 percent of the global corn crop, according to Goldman Sachs analysts.

A food-versus-fuel debate erupted in 2008, in the wake of record food prices, where the biofuel industry was criticised for helping stoke food prices.

Gore said a range of factors had contributed to that food price crisis, including drought in Australia, but said there was no doubt biofuels have an effect.

"The size, the percentage of corn particularly, which is now being (used for) first generation ethanol definitely has an impact on food prices.

"The competition with food prices is real."

Gore supported so-called second generation technologies which do not compete with food, for example cellulosic technologies which use chemicals or enzymes to extract sugar from fibre for example in wood, waste or grass.

"I do think second and third generation that don't compete with food prices will play an increasing role, certainly with aviation fuels."

Gore added did that he did not expect a U.S. clean energy or climate bill for "at least two years" following the mid-term elections which saw Republicans increase their support.

(Reporting by Gerard Wynn; editing by Keiron Henderson)

© Thomson Reuters 2010 All rights reserved

 

How about applying the cash for clunkers program to those in DC that come up with these lame ideas.

 

Remember that those in DC only use public transportation. That is, chauffeured limos and private planes paid for at taxpayer expense.

 

Keep the cars & planes. Get rid of the those that come up with these lame ideas. Cash for bureaucrats.

 

I like that! "Cash for Bureaucrats!" Can we put something in them until their inner workings seize up and then smash them?

 

Dan,

The only thing I can think of that would cause "their inner workings seize up" is truth serum. Unfortunately, they are so allergic to the truth that it would cause them to implode immediately and would rob us of the opportunity to "smash them."

 

didnt Al Gore invent the internet?!