997 issues , looking to purchase CPO car
08-28-2010, 11:41 PM
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997 issues , looking to purchase CPO car
I am thinking about getting a 997 to replace my track car and my 993.
I dont have time to do many track events anymore and I don't ever get to use the 993.
I have looked at the GT3 route and new M3's.
But I keep going back to a 911. I have a few questions.
Looking at a 997 Carrera S
1.How trackable are they for DE's
2.What upgrades do they need to perform well on the track
3.Do they have the ISF like 996s?
4.What do I need to look for in a used 997
Any and as much info would be helpful.
Also my 993 and Boxster S race car are for sale if your looking.
I dont have time to do many track events anymore and I don't ever get to use the 993.
I have looked at the GT3 route and new M3's.
But I keep going back to a 911. I have a few questions.
Looking at a 997 Carrera S
1.How trackable are they for DE's
2.What upgrades do they need to perform well on the track
3.Do they have the ISF like 996s?
4.What do I need to look for in a used 997
Any and as much info would be helpful.
Also my 993 and Boxster S race car are for sale if your looking.
08-29-2010, 10:41 AM
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I'm new to this and not in your league but I have done about 5 PCA events in my base, non-pasm 997 and I think the car is great to drive at DE's.
And several instructors who have driven my car say the same. Great car to learn with and perform well at DE's.
I may play with adding some better suspension (Bilsteins, etc.) but I think the power is fine for the track I drive, NJMP. Maybe if I stick to this car I'll also play with chips and exhasuts and stuff, but I'm in no rush now.
Going with the S will give you the PASM option and a little more power so its probable will need to do little except maybe go with race pads at first.
For any 911 you are serious about get an PPI and maybe stay away from earlier 05 models. They are slightly more prone to IMS issues. My 05 had one and I got a new engine for my troubles. I like the CPO option since it gives you peace of mind.
good luck
And several instructors who have driven my car say the same. Great car to learn with and perform well at DE's.
I may play with adding some better suspension (Bilsteins, etc.) but I think the power is fine for the track I drive, NJMP. Maybe if I stick to this car I'll also play with chips and exhasuts and stuff, but I'm in no rush now.
Going with the S will give you the PASM option and a little more power so its probable will need to do little except maybe go with race pads at first.
For any 911 you are serious about get an PPI and maybe stay away from earlier 05 models. They are slightly more prone to IMS issues. My 05 had one and I got a new engine for my troubles. I like the CPO option since it gives you peace of mind.
good luck
08-29-2010, 11:08 AM
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2005 - 2008 cars still have the IMS (intermediate shaft). Base Carrera has 325 HP and the S has 355 HP.
The 2009+ (997.2) have the all new 9A1 DFI engine which does not have an IMS. The base Carrera has 345 HP and the S has 385 HP.
The 2009+ (997.2) have the all new 9A1 DFI engine which does not have an IMS. The base Carrera has 345 HP and the S has 385 HP.
08-29-2010, 02:54 PM
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1.How trackable are they for DE's
Very. I tracked my '07 several times.
2.What upgrades do they need to perform well on the track
Depends on what you're looking for. They really are pretty fine as is, but you can always upgrade the seats, add harnesses, roll bar, R-compound tires, etc, etc. GT3 suspension components fit and are common upgrades as well for the track.
3.Do they have the ISF like 996s?
Already answered but they do have an intermediate shaft and it leaks/fails less frequently than the early 996 but still there are 997 reports of this failure. Mine has had no problems in 63k miles; YMMV of course.
4.What do I need to look for in a used 997
Maintenance history and accident/repair history are key, as with any Porsche. I don't know of anything else that is special to the 997S other than a good look to be sure there is no oil seepage indicating a possible IMS/RMS failure.
Very. I tracked my '07 several times.
2.What upgrades do they need to perform well on the track
Depends on what you're looking for. They really are pretty fine as is, but you can always upgrade the seats, add harnesses, roll bar, R-compound tires, etc, etc. GT3 suspension components fit and are common upgrades as well for the track.
3.Do they have the ISF like 996s?
Already answered but they do have an intermediate shaft and it leaks/fails less frequently than the early 996 but still there are 997 reports of this failure. Mine has had no problems in 63k miles; YMMV of course.
4.What do I need to look for in a used 997
Maintenance history and accident/repair history are key, as with any Porsche. I don't know of anything else that is special to the 997S other than a good look to be sure there is no oil seepage indicating a possible IMS/RMS failure.
08-29-2010, 04:27 PM
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Derek,
No one responded to your mention of going CPO on this ... so since I just brought home a CPO 997.1, let me respond to that part of it.
I got a "like new", very well-optioned 2005 with 29,000 miles for almost exactly half of list price and a full Porsche warranty for 2 years/100,000 miles. So I could put on 35K a year for the next two years and still be fully in warranty. And the price I paid was actually just above KBB trade in value. In fact, they gave me a choice: take it as is or pay $1500 more and they certify it. So, for my extra $1,500 bucks I got the warranty and a bunch of little things cleaned up. The resprayed the entire front to clean up rock chips, they restored one rim that had curb rash, they replaced the missing cartridge in the CD player and they gave it a full service, detailed it, etc, etc.
So I would say CPO is a great way to go. My current plan is to keep this baby two years, put about 30K on it and trade it in on a CPO 997.2 or a GT3 and drive on.
No one responded to your mention of going CPO on this ... so since I just brought home a CPO 997.1, let me respond to that part of it.
I got a "like new", very well-optioned 2005 with 29,000 miles for almost exactly half of list price and a full Porsche warranty for 2 years/100,000 miles. So I could put on 35K a year for the next two years and still be fully in warranty. And the price I paid was actually just above KBB trade in value. In fact, they gave me a choice: take it as is or pay $1500 more and they certify it. So, for my extra $1,500 bucks I got the warranty and a bunch of little things cleaned up. The resprayed the entire front to clean up rock chips, they restored one rim that had curb rash, they replaced the missing cartridge in the CD player and they gave it a full service, detailed it, etc, etc.
So I would say CPO is a great way to go. My current plan is to keep this baby two years, put about 30K on it and trade it in on a CPO 997.2 or a GT3 and drive on.
08-29-2010, 05:05 PM
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Derek,
No one responded to your mention of going CPO on this ... so since I just brought home a CPO 997.1, let me respond to that part of it.
I got a "like new", very well-optioned 2005 with 29,000 miles for almost exactly half of list price and a full Porsche warranty for 2 years/100,000 miles. So I could put on 35K a year for the next two years and still be fully in warranty. And the price I paid was actually just above KBB trade in value. In fact, they gave me a choice: take it as is or pay $1500 more and they certify it. So, for my extra $1,500 bucks I got the warranty and a bunch of little things cleaned up. The resprayed the entire front to clean up rock chips, they restored one rim that had curb rash, they replaced the missing cartridge in the CD player and they gave it a full service, detailed it, etc, etc.
So I would say CPO is a great way to go. My current plan is to keep this baby two years, put about 30K on it and trade it in on a CPO 997.2 or a GT3 and drive on.
No one responded to your mention of going CPO on this ... so since I just brought home a CPO 997.1, let me respond to that part of it.
I got a "like new", very well-optioned 2005 with 29,000 miles for almost exactly half of list price and a full Porsche warranty for 2 years/100,000 miles. So I could put on 35K a year for the next two years and still be fully in warranty. And the price I paid was actually just above KBB trade in value. In fact, they gave me a choice: take it as is or pay $1500 more and they certify it. So, for my extra $1,500 bucks I got the warranty and a bunch of little things cleaned up. The resprayed the entire front to clean up rock chips, they restored one rim that had curb rash, they replaced the missing cartridge in the CD player and they gave it a full service, detailed it, etc, etc.
So I would say CPO is a great way to go. My current plan is to keep this baby two years, put about 30K on it and trade it in on a CPO 997.2 or a GT3 and drive on.
08-29-2010, 06:01 PM
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I was quoted 2200 for a CPO, from just about every Porsche dealer I contacted...except for Aristocrat. They wanted $4200 to do a 06 C2 with 29k. I didn't realize there were different amounts billed to do CPO's...
No highjack intended, just an observation.
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08-29-2010, 06:46 PM
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08-29-2010, 10:02 PM
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I just test drove a 2007 911 today. The sales manager said that the dealership is charged $2000 to CPO a car by Porsche Inc. So whatever deal we strike $2K will be added on. Also of note. When you privately sell the car the CPO like the manufacturers warranty is transferable. However, when you trade the car at a dealership the CPO is forfeited. That is Porsche's way of ripping people off and a way for them to keep making money on the CPO process.
