997 C2S engine failure help
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You got lucky as others said... the only thing I can think of... see if you can get em to give you an X51 engine instead!!!
probably not gonna happen but it doesn't hurt to ask!
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997's (and 996's) will never really be collector cars, Way to many of them made. Although the way prices are going (cars down and replacement engines up) there may be enough of these cars being junked over the years to make them scarcer. Early 996's are now going in the teens, and the price of a 3.4 replacment engine is now over $14,000, plus core and labor. You can find 2005 997's under $40K now. Fortunately the 3.6 and 3.8 engines are less than the 3.4, but that won't last for long.
In the meantime the replacement engine is bound to increase the value of the car.
In the meantime the replacement engine is bound to increase the value of the car.
You & I are in total agreement that the replacement engine is a good thing for the OP.
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I agree that having the engine replaced under warranty is a good thing for the OP, but think the longer-term value would be higher if the car had the original engine. To the collector community, a "matching numbers" car generally has more value than a "replaced motor under warranty." But unless the OP intends to keep the car for many more years (much longer than the 3-4 years he's kept his prior P-cars) I would guess the 997 won't be bought for collector purposes and therefore won't be valued as such.
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I do find it interesting how "common" this IMS failure appears to be. Whether its just the internet rumours or not but I'd love to search Rennlist and 6speed and find out how many have occured. Sort of makes me uneasy now having bought my 06...
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Cams, I'm with you on the concern with the number of failure incidents.
I was just in the market for around 6 weeks and came across multiple cars that had engine failures.
Having said that, I love my car so much that if I had to spend $15k for a new engine, I would just do it and continue driving the car and enjoying it.
At this point (and perhaps I'm still in the honeymoon phase), if I sold my 911 it would be to buy a newer one...
Just drove my 335i to work today because it was raining and it took me a lot of time to get used to how different it felt. Brakes felt jumpy, body roll was very noticeable, clutch felt like a Toyota, and the 300HP just didn't seem enough for such a heavy car. Most importantly, I received very little feedback through the suspension. In summary: the 911 is a very unique experience even if it comes with the occasional engine failure!![Smilie](https://rennlist.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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I was just in the market for around 6 weeks and came across multiple cars that had engine failures.
Having said that, I love my car so much that if I had to spend $15k for a new engine, I would just do it and continue driving the car and enjoying it.
At this point (and perhaps I'm still in the honeymoon phase), if I sold my 911 it would be to buy a newer one...
Just drove my 335i to work today because it was raining and it took me a lot of time to get used to how different it felt. Brakes felt jumpy, body roll was very noticeable, clutch felt like a Toyota, and the 300HP just didn't seem enough for such a heavy car. Most importantly, I received very little feedback through the suspension. In summary: the 911 is a very unique experience even if it comes with the occasional engine failure!
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As someone who will be in the market soon for an '05-'07 997, an '05 with a brand new engine would definitely get my attention considering the apparently high rate of engine failure.
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Also, if you do the research you will find that in terms of the IMS, your MY06 has a revised (larger) bearing and shaft compared with the MY05.
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Just to be clear. My 997 C2S cylinder number three has a crack in it and no longer is holding compression. My understanding is that it is a crack in the nikasil liner which then causes metal shavings to be running around in the motor and probably caused damage to bearings, etc... This was not an IMS failute. I had a RMS failures on both my 1998 boxster and 2002 996 but this was an easy one time fix of $1,500 and then was done.
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but usually makes the resale value tougher as buyers assume that the car is damaged goods even though logically you would think it would make the car more valuable as it is a new engine. I have had three Porsches over an 11 year period (1998 boxster and 2002 996) and never had any major issues outside of rear main seal leaks.
My question to everyone here is there anything I should be asking for now before they install the new engine and any other helpful advice would be much appreciated.
Daryl
My question to everyone here is there anything I should be asking for now before they install the new engine and any other helpful advice would be much appreciated.
Daryl
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Had my engine replaced 6K ago for a similiar reason (scored cylinder wall). The new (remanufactured) motor feels better then the old one ever did and I believe it has the updated RMS as well. I was thrilled to get a new motor.....especially one I didn't have to pay for
Plus, they come with a 2 year warranty which will come in handy as your 2005 warranty is getting to the end of its usefull life.
All positive in my opinion....
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All positive in my opinion....
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I had potential buyers of my M3 try to low-ball me b/c of the replaced engine (replaced by BMW outside of warranty - great customer service!). I just ignored them. They're either clueless or worse - they're hoping you are.
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No disrespect but that would bother me too. Why? Because the straight 6 M3 engine has a bad rep. It's producing maximum HP/Tq for it's design; it's totally souped up by the factory. If you're buying a used one you have that real worry to adapt to. OTOH, Porsche isn't known for creating engines that are at their absolute limit of HP production. Again: I'm not BMW bashing since I own one too.
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So to summarize everyone's view. This is mostly a good thing for resale value later and buyers will realize this is a good thing. Everyone is convinced that Porsche will give me a re-manufactured engined which from talking to my service manager did not seem like the case but I will follow up when I get more clarity. Oh and people think this is like winning the lottery so I guess I should be playing my numbers today. Funny thing is not having my car for three weeks hardly feels like I am winning anything.
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