VW/Porsche merger now official
08-14-2009, 01:52 PM
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One you say "extremely" and "recent" you really mean "pretty successful" and over the last 2 to 3 years.
Thanks I can see thier profitability and stock value. Not as impressive as Porsche.
VW numbers would probably have been "extremely" successful had Piech not made decision like the wonderful Phaeton or the fantastically profitable Veyron I will have to check but I believe they lost about EUR 1MM per car sold. I do not think you are correct in that if someone else would have bought them and destroyed them and their viability under VW is still to be determined although hopefully pretty safe.
As far as my perspective I hope I am dead wrong and you are completely right, but if in 2014 there is a Porsche 911 A9 Carrera Quattro 4Motion Front engine V10 we'll talk.
Disclosure statement: No I do not own their stock but I wish I had.
Thanks I can see thier profitability and stock value. Not as impressive as Porsche.
VW numbers would probably have been "extremely" successful had Piech not made decision like the wonderful Phaeton or the fantastically profitable Veyron I will have to check but I believe they lost about EUR 1MM per car sold. I do not think you are correct in that if someone else would have bought them and destroyed them and their viability under VW is still to be determined although hopefully pretty safe.
As far as my perspective I hope I am dead wrong and you are completely right, but if in 2014 there is a Porsche 911 A9 Carrera Quattro 4Motion Front engine V10 we'll talk.
Disclosure statement: No I do not own their stock but I wish I had.
08-14-2009, 01:58 PM
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oh and worse of all when Porsches are designed to be slower than Lambroghinis and Audi A8s because of a management vendetta, thus further diluting the mark.
08-14-2009, 06:08 PM
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Exactly! Piëch is an accomplished engireer (unlike Wiedeking); may be that will help. But will the new CEO, Michael Macht, turn out to be Schutz (good for the 911) or Fuhrmann (wanted to end it)? Given Macht's history with developing the panamera and cayenne and given Piech's stated goal of Porsche selling many, many more cars, we may have a problem....then again the 4 door 911 is already here. One concern is Porsche going downmarket and doing stuff like selling the VW BlueSport concept as Porsche (well, the 914 has good points too....)
08-31-2009, 06:56 AM
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08-31-2009, 10:20 AM
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Nothing is as good or as bad as you think it will be.
I think "the end of the world" already came when they went from air cooling to water cooling in 1999. The dust cleared ..........and the 911 is still here with higher levels of performance than ever.
The R8 will eventiually be gone as they don't sell that many ( same for the Bugatti ) The Bugatti is an engineering example of diminishing returns ( exponential increases in hp to achieve marginal increases in performance).
The 911 has always been 90% as good as the exotics (Ferrari, Lambo) at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. Things don't chnage that fast. Giving away my age, when I went to the NY world's Fair in the 1960s we were told cars would ( pick your choice) run on nuclear power, would float on air, would drive by themselves, would fly.
I think "the end of the world" already came when they went from air cooling to water cooling in 1999. The dust cleared ..........and the 911 is still here with higher levels of performance than ever.
The R8 will eventiually be gone as they don't sell that many ( same for the Bugatti ) The Bugatti is an engineering example of diminishing returns ( exponential increases in hp to achieve marginal increases in performance).
The 911 has always been 90% as good as the exotics (Ferrari, Lambo) at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. Things don't chnage that fast. Giving away my age, when I went to the NY world's Fair in the 1960s we were told cars would ( pick your choice) run on nuclear power, would float on air, would drive by themselves, would fly.
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Nothing is as good or as bad as you think it will be.
I think "the end of the world" already came when they went from air cooling to water cooling in 1999. The dust cleared ..........and the 911 is still here with higher levels of performance than ever.
The R8 will eventiually be gone as they don't sell that many ( same for the Bugatti ) The Bugatti is an engineering example of diminishing returns ( exponential increases in hp to achieve marginal increases in performance).
The 911 has always been 90% as good as the exotics (Ferrari, Lambo) at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. Things don't chnage that fast. Giving away my age, when I went to the NY world's Fair in the 1960s we were told cars would ( pick your choice) run on nuclear power, would float on air, would drive by themselves, would fly.
I think "the end of the world" already came when they went from air cooling to water cooling in 1999. The dust cleared ..........and the 911 is still here with higher levels of performance than ever.
The R8 will eventiually be gone as they don't sell that many ( same for the Bugatti ) The Bugatti is an engineering example of diminishing returns ( exponential increases in hp to achieve marginal increases in performance).
The 911 has always been 90% as good as the exotics (Ferrari, Lambo) at 1/2 to 1/3 the price. Things don't chnage that fast. Giving away my age, when I went to the NY world's Fair in the 1960s we were told cars would ( pick your choice) run on nuclear power, would float on air, would drive by themselves, would fly.
