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Porsche C2S 7:50
PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires

M3 Coupe 8:05
Normal brakes (there is not ceramic option), manual transmission (no DCT for the test), Michelin PS2 tyres (not as sticky as the Cup tires the Porsche used)

Do you have more info for a time of the Porsche with normal street tyres ? I guess around 7:55

Or a time for the M3 with DCT ? I guess around 8:00

Your thoughts, comments, data ?

RonCT

My comment is that the 19" Pilot Sport Cup is marginally better than the PS2. I've run both 235/305 PS2 and PSCup on the track and recorded basically the same lateral and braking G forces (and lap times). The issue is that the Cups they approved for Porsche are "reformulated" and "redesigned". They may look like a real cup, but the compound was changed for "better cold and wet performance" and the rain channels are 2x the width than on the real cups (Tire Rack posted a side-by-side photo here on RL showing this). So, I don't think there's that much difference based on my experience with the two tires.

yemenmocha

Don't worry, the cars are in different leagues. 15 seconds is an eternity... just look 15 seconds behind the e92 M3 and you'll see the e46 M3's Nurburgring time.

Dave07997S

The 997.2S without the cup tires ran a 7:58...1 sec. faster than the older 997.1 but it was a manual not a PDK. I thought with the PDK and cup tires it would actually be quite a bit faster than this, just goes to show you how even the older .1 cars are still pretty good. What also is interesting is the older E46 M3CSL ran a 7:50 with PSC's.

The list:

7:50 --- 157.79 km/h - BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h - Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h - Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1750 kg, Horst von Saurma, partially wet track (sport auto 12/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=1&tID=145737
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S, 385 PS/1450 kg PDK, PASM, Michelin Pilot Cup Sport tyres (sport auto 08/08) http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=127326
7:50 --- 157.79 km/h - Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine
7:51 --- 157.34 km/h - Mercedes SL 65 AMG Black Series, 670 PS/1880 kg (sport auto Supertest 05/09)
7:51 --- 157.34 km/h - Nissan GT-R, ??? PS/??? kg http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/...chleife-05-09/
7:52 --- 157.12 km/h - Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06)
7:52 --- 157.12 km/h - Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.12 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-5, 560 PS/1590 kg (sport auto Supertest 11/08)
7:52 --- 157.12 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.12 km/h - Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:52.84 - 157.09 km/h - Ruf Turbo Rt 600, 600 PS/1656 kg (AutoBild sportscars 08/08) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=0&tID=161349
7:54 --- 156.46 km/h - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05) http://www.sportauto-online.de/test_...0696_14469.hbs
7:54 --- 156.46 km/h - Nissan GT-R R35 back-to-back testing by Porsche http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...n-GT-R/235197/
7:54 --- 156.46 km/h - Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 06/07) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=2&tID=126501 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPvBu...e=user&search=
7:54 --- 156.46 km/h - Porsche 993 GT3, 360 PS/1380 kg (sport auto 06/03)
7:55* -- 156.13 km/h - Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal)(*mfr.)
7:55 --- 156.13 km/h - Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.13 km/h - Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...ID=2&tID=67305
7:55 --- 156.17 km/h - Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../71017001/1065
7:55.9 - 155.81 km/h - Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg http://magazines.drivers-republic.co...c/thetruth030/
7:56* - 155.80 km/h - Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56 --- 155.80 km/h - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.80 km/h - Porsche 996 GT3, 462 PS/??? kg http://www.spiegel.de/auto/fahrberic...117941,00.html
7:56 --- 155.80 km/h - Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* -- 155.80 km/h - Porsche Panamera Turbo, 500 PS/1970 kg, *company test driver Walter Roehrl (AutoBild 22/09) http://www.autobild.de/artikel/porsc...bo_918406.html
7:56.50 155.60 km/h - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.57 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.57 km/h Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.48 km/h - AC Schnitzer Tension, 552 PS/1797 kg (sport auto 04/07), http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=1&tID=123445
7:57 --- 155.47 km/h - Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:57.46 -- 155.47 km/h - Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4, 560 PS/1456 kg (AutoBild sportscars 08/08) http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...D=0&tID=161349
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05) http://www.8200rpm.com/forum/read.ph...16841&t=16841\
7:58 --- 156.66 km/h - 2009 Porsche Carrera S (manual transmission) http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=127326
7:59 --- 154.82 km/h - Porsche 997 Carrera S, PASM setting "Performance" (Walter Roehrl WHEELS 06/ 2004)
7:59* -- 154.82 km/h - Chevrolet C6 Z51, company test driver Dave Hill (*mfr.)




Dave

964C4

Good info, Dave !

yemenmocha

Yes but the CSL is pretty much the GT3 of the M3, so not really fair comparison unless you pull out the GT3 times for the 911 also.