I have 5 track days on my 09 Carrera S. I have LSD in my 09 along with the sports suspension and PDK. On the track it is a great difference coming out of the corners.

my 07 997.1 S Sebring 2:36
my 09 997.2 S Sebring 2:30

6 seconds is huge on the track. PDK is making up for the slow Tip shifting and not being able to rev match and the Tip would upset the car is certain corners when I downshifted but the 997.2 S with Sport PASM and PDK is so much faster than my Tiptronic 997.1 S

 

best with the 997.1 manual at sebring for me 2:31 and that is after driving 4 yrs with the same car...
i am sure MDRUMS soon will be sub 230....even if he weighs 100 lbs more than me

 

Hey I can shed a body part and weight a little less!

 

I was considering buying a used 997.1 but the 997.2 just seems worth waiting for. I don't want to spend more then 50K, but would go to 60K if it was "perfect." As bad as I want to sell my E92 335i and get a used 997.1, I think I'm just going to be patient and wait until I get what I really want. SPASM, DFI & LSD are all important to me. If I decided to go the 4S route, then I'd rather have the new AWD system, although the jury's still out on that one. I'm really spilt 50/50 on whether I want the 2 or 4. One thing I'm sure about though is I want the 997.2. I wish I had the cash to order one up brand new today but right now, I have too many obligations to do it comfortably.

 

moderato...

if you get the 997.1 for a great deal you wont lose much when you upgrade and at that time you can get a 997.2 cpo'ed after they depreciate..i have had a lot of bmw's but a porsche is really different..and i have driven the 997. 2 both manual and pdk, they are a little faster but imho not worth the wait nor the extra $$ unless you want to keep up with MDRUMS......on the track. on the street you will never reach the true potential of either car. GL

 

I have the 05 Carrera S, and I can tell you without question if I had the extra money to spend on it I would be at the dealer right now ordering the 09 C2S with pdk. This comes from someone who is 100% satisfied with the current car in every possible way. The fact is the new one is better, and the 991 will be better, and the 991.2 after that will be better, etc, etc, etc. I am not even going to pretend that it isn't worth it because it is. That said I don't have the extra cash at the moment so I will remain satisfied in the car I have. If money were no issue it would not even be a point of consideration the 997.2 easily wins.

 

I own 06 C2s manual and 09 C2s pdk, lsd, sport chrono, sport suspension and I track them. The 09 is far far different than the 06. Different suspension feel, much more torque, and the pdk is a very unique experience. Is it worth $46k over the 06? I think so. Maybe not if your not interested in max performance and have no track intentions.

 

I have swapped my 08 C2 for an 09 C2S. Use is mainly daily commute with some track work (2x this year so far) and weekend blasts.

For me it's both the performance and convenience things that made the swap worthwhile. Coming from a C2 I got a bigger engine and PASM both of which you get benefits from every day. Brakes and wheels not so much obviously, althougth brake feel is much better even around town.

The convenience things I appreciate are MY09 things like the hill assist, the better PSM, factory bluetooth and ipod interface etc.

About the only thing I do miss from the 08 is the exhaust note change at 4000rpm, which you can enjoy around town every day but is just not there on the 09.

Overall though, a good upgrade.

 

I might end up doing that, we'll see how my situation goes. I just wish the 997.1 came with LSD & SPASM. Europe got that as an option for the 997.1, it always bugged me that we didn't. If I already had a 997.1 then I wouldn't let it bother me but since I don't have one yet, I might just wait it out. I have 3 kids and the wife doesn't work, my investments look like a pizza with 4 slices missing. I wish I had the disposable cash to do this now, a brand new 997.2 C2S would hit the spot.

 

mkk62, an intersting test for us would be to swap wheels for a session. Since we both run Toyo R888 but different sizes that would be an interesting test for us.

 

FYI - ROW got a sport suspension option in the 997.1, but it was not PASM nor Sport PASM. It was just a sport coil-over suspension at -20mm ride height and I don't know that I've ever read good reviews of it.

 

mdrums how about swap cars

 

I made a poor assumption then! I thought the LSD & -20mm option available on the ROW 997.1 was more or less the same thing we're getting now for the 997.2 with SPASM. I didn't realize it was a completely different setup, actually I'm pleased to hear that. Is the LSD the same or has that been changed also?

 

2:30 at Sebring is a serious # in a relatively stock, naturally aspirated, non-GT 911. I feel I might never get there in my 997S.1...I'm still screwing around in the 2:33's and 2:34's. From what I've seen the 997S.2 pulls like a 997.1 GT3 and the sport suspension is excellent.

mdrums & mkk62 - Are you guys going to the Chin Homestead event next Saturday? A few of us are heading down....they still have a bunch of solo spots open. Look forward to seeing you guys again soon.....btw, we'll also be at the SAFE event at Sebring on Aug 29th.

 

adfsouth...no track until Road atlant august...babies hindering track time....hope you can make ra ggreat track.. will like to try safe soon....
mk