Base 2009 997 - brakes are DIFFERENT...but which?
03-18-2009, 01:18 PM
#1
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Base 2009 997 - brakes are DIFFERENT...but which?
Andreas at Pagid doesn't know about the 2009 997 brakes regarding the differences, and he is at Sebring all week unable to look into this.
They are a 1 piece fixed bridge design (looks like you have to remove the caliper to change the pads a-la 997 GT3 rears) and according to a customer, they appear to also possibly have a different pad than the pad used on every 996 base car since 1999 (?)
Can someone with a *2009* 997 non-S clarify this?
Nothing online helps with this, but the factory part number is different for the pads....
They are a 1 piece fixed bridge design (looks like you have to remove the caliper to change the pads a-la 997 GT3 rears) and according to a customer, they appear to also possibly have a different pad than the pad used on every 996 base car since 1999 (?)
Can someone with a *2009* 997 non-S clarify this?
Nothing online helps with this, but the factory part number is different for the pads....
03-18-2009, 03:21 PM
#2
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Sure seems like it might have the same pads as 2008:
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...l/?gtabindex=4
Can anyone verify the 2009 base brake pads? Pagid USA does not know and Andreas is at Sebring and unable to check.
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...l/?gtabindex=4
Can anyone verify the 2009 base brake pads? Pagid USA does not know and Andreas is at Sebring and unable to check.
03-18-2009, 03:23 PM
#3
Race Director
I do not have the answer but this is the on going issue that has not been answered.
Are there different part numbers between the stock pads on the 997 and 997S 2009 cars?
If so then you have your answer.
Are there different part numbers between the stock pads on the 997 and 997S 2009 cars?
If so then you have your answer.
03-18-2009, 03:26 PM
#4
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
On the 911 Carrera models, the front and rear axles are host to a new generation of brakes with anodized black, four-piston aluminum monobloc calipers. The brake calipers are now even stiffer thanks to their closed-type design. The brake disc diameters are larger: 330 mm front and rear and the rear brake discs are 4 mm thicker – for even better braking performance.
The S models have four-piston aluminum monobloc calipers that are larger, reinforced and have a striking red painted finish. The front axle has larger brake pads and thicker brake discs
The S models have four-piston aluminum monobloc calipers that are larger, reinforced and have a striking red painted finish. The front axle has larger brake pads and thicker brake discs
03-18-2009, 04:26 PM
#5
Nordschleife Master
Sounds like they do not share the same pads as a 997.1
330 mm is what the 997S.1 has which I believe can use the same pad as the 996TT and 994C4S
They are the type were you remove the caliper pin and pull out the pad for the 996, can anyone with a 997S.1 confirm?
Its sounds like the 997.2 may have got the 997S.1 brakes and the 997S.2 got bigger brakes.
330 mm is what the 997S.1 has which I believe can use the same pad as the 996TT and 994C4S
They are the type were you remove the caliper pin and pull out the pad for the 996, can anyone with a 997S.1 confirm?
Its sounds like the 997.2 may have got the 997S.1 brakes and the 997S.2 got bigger brakes.
03-18-2009, 05:09 PM
#6
Race Director
My understanding is that the 997.1 (S Big Red Brakes 2005-08) and the new 997.2 (S Big Red Brakes 2009) are exactly the same.
What Craig seems to be asking about is the smaller regular 997.1 vs 997.2 (NOT THE S) brakes.
What Craig seems to be asking about is the smaller regular 997.1 vs 997.2 (NOT THE S) brakes.
03-19-2009, 10:39 AM
#7
Nordschleife Master
This is what the 997S.1, 996TT and 996C4S has.
The 997.1 and 996 can share the same brake pad.
It then goes further saying the new 997S have four-piston aluminum monobloc calipers that are larger, reinforced and have a striking red painted finish. The front axle has larger brake pads and thicker brake discs.
So it runs even larger brake pads then the 997S.1
The newer model both have gotten brake upgrades from the mk I.
My post was kinds saying that if the 997.2 calipers are a one piece design were you only need to pull out the caliper, retaining pin, and spring and disconnect the sensor then push or pull out the pad. Then its more then likely that it can run pads from the 997S.1, 996TT and 996C4S.
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03-19-2009, 11:32 AM
#8
Race Director
Actually if you read the Porsche brakes article on the saftly section that Craig linked to. The 997.2 have gotten brake disc diameters that are larger: 330 mm front and rear and the rear brake discs are 4 mm thicker
This is what the 997S.1, 996TT and 996C4S has.
The 997.1 and 996 can share the same brake pad.
It then goes further saying the new 997S have four-piston aluminum monobloc calipers that are larger, reinforced and have a striking red painted finish. The front axle has larger brake pads and thicker brake discs.
So it runs even larger brake pads then the 997S.1
The newer model both have gotten brake upgrades from the mk I.
My post was kinds saying that if the 997.2 calipers are a one piece design were you only need to pull out the caliper, retaining pin, and spring and disconnect the sensor then push or pull out the pad. Then its more then likely that it can run pads from the 997S.1, 996TT and 996C4S.
This is what the 997S.1, 996TT and 996C4S has.
The 997.1 and 996 can share the same brake pad.
It then goes further saying the new 997S have four-piston aluminum monobloc calipers that are larger, reinforced and have a striking red painted finish. The front axle has larger brake pads and thicker brake discs.
So it runs even larger brake pads then the 997S.1
The newer model both have gotten brake upgrades from the mk I.
My post was kinds saying that if the 997.2 calipers are a one piece design were you only need to pull out the caliper, retaining pin, and spring and disconnect the sensor then push or pull out the pad. Then its more then likely that it can run pads from the 997S.1, 996TT and 996C4S.
Sorry, let me try again and re-word this:
The 2005-2008 Carrera S and the 2009 Carrera S have the same brakes.
The 2009 Carrera (non S) brake rotors are now bigger than the previous 2005-2008 Carrera (non S).
The (non S) 2009 brakes are what Craig at Rennstore is asking about.
03-19-2009, 11:59 AM
#9
Rennlist Member
Right, we know about the rotoe size differences, see my post, #5 here:
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ke-rotors.html
What we dont know, and what we are trying to figure out is pad size. Nobody seems to have a set of the new pads in stock to pull off the shelf and look at. It is rather frustrating.
Michael
https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ke-rotors.html
What we dont know, and what we are trying to figure out is pad size. Nobody seems to have a set of the new pads in stock to pull off the shelf and look at. It is rather frustrating.
Michael
03-19-2009, 12:50 PM
#10
Former Vendor
Thread Starter
Standard 1999-on 996 / early (possibly 2009?) 997 brake pads:
http://www.braketechnology.com/brakes/2405.html
996 / 997S (also 996TT) brake pads:
http://www.braketechnology.com/brakes/2474.html
I highly suspect what Porsche did with the 2009 non-S brakes is introduce an all-new caliper design, larger rotor, but same size pad - similar in concept to the differences from the 78-83 99SC and the 84-89 Carrera where the caliper spread increased, pad size remained the same, and the front rotor thickness increased.
Using the above pictures, can anyone with a 2009 non-S verify the size pad they own?
http://www.braketechnology.com/brakes/2405.html
996 / 997S (also 996TT) brake pads:
http://www.braketechnology.com/brakes/2474.html
I highly suspect what Porsche did with the 2009 non-S brakes is introduce an all-new caliper design, larger rotor, but same size pad - similar in concept to the differences from the 78-83 99SC and the 84-89 Carrera where the caliper spread increased, pad size remained the same, and the front rotor thickness increased.
Using the above pictures, can anyone with a 2009 non-S verify the size pad they own?
