View Poll Results: PDK or not? that's a question

i will get PDK for it's perfermance.

29.46%

i will get PDK for it's convinence. i can leave it in auto-mode when commuting

11.63%

i won't get PDK because i perfer to shift myself

48.84%

i won't get PDK because the cost.

3.10%

i won't get PDK because it's too new for porsche and i worry about reliabilty/bugs.

6.98%

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one more PDK poll since now we know the PDK price

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06-18-2008 | 04:41 PM

#16

InTheAir

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From: Neither Here Nor There

One of the recent articles on the 997Mk2 indicated that "conservatively" Porsche expects 50% of the new NA 911s to be ordered with PDK.

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06-18-2008 | 04:47 PM

#17

JohnnyBahamas

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill_C4S

ahh it most definitely is not a very modern tiptronic...

there is NO torque convertor

Dual Clutch transmission - very different technology, first applied by Porsche 956 c. 1981

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin-clutch_gearbox

distinct again from sequential manuals formerly deployed by Ferrari/BMW

worth noting that both Ferrari in the California and BMW in the latest M3 are introducing Dual Clutch systems...

True. Still it replaces the tiptronic not supplements it in the product line. I interpret that to mean the the automatic mode is the primary mode. This will be the transmission for people who need or want an automatic in their 911. That is what I mean by "... modern Tiptronic...."

Last edited by JohnnyBahamas; 06-22-2008 at 03:27 PM. Reason: spelling

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06-18-2008 | 05:16 PM

#18

Bill_C4S

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.think i follow..but even the SMG's have clutches, they're just automated..and in the case of the 360F1..prone to burn out

you can't jump shift (1-3) in a DCT car...shifting is sequential...although i suppose the manufacturer could allow you to programme such a shift...

unrelated....why are you down at 165ft on compressed AIR...that's Trimix territory...

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06-18-2008 | 06:14 PM

#19

JohnnyBahamas

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Originally Posted by Bill_C4S

Oh, you know, narcing.

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06-18-2008 | 07:19 PM

#20

jackolo

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Originally Posted by Vitamin_J

Now that it won't be offered on the Targa for a year or so, my decision is made for me.

Sorry, can you clarify this for me? I haven't really checked the ordering guide yet since I was assuming info on the C4/C4S/Targas weren't available yet.
Does this mean they're only offering tiptronic/6speed for the 09' targa models or are not doing targas at all for 09'?

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06-18-2008 | 09:07 PM

#21

holminator

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The lack of true paddle shifters is the problem for me.

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06-18-2008 | 09:51 PM

#22

Coochas

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBahamas

Oh, you know, narcing.

You crazy Johnny!
110 Feet max for my fat ***.

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06-18-2008 | 10:58 PM

#23

nyca

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I would order PDK without the launch control, I hate that dash mounted chrono. How often am I going to use launch control? after the "fun factor" wears off, likely not too often.

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06-19-2008 | 12:20 AM

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cgfen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBahamas

After reading the entire spec. on the PDK I really very surprised that the transmission is just an improved Tiptronic. The PDK is not the Porsche version of the Ferrari F1 gear box.

Read the specs, it's a very modern tiptronic.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i don't think so.

what spec's are you referring to?

a torque converter auto box = tip
is nothig like a
dual clutch sequential box = PDK

cheers

Craig

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06-19-2008 | 12:21 AM

#25

cgfen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by InTheAir

Will anyone buy PDK ~without~ buying Sport Chrono (i.e. launch control)?

i was able to convince my wife that her purchase of the new 997 required SC to go along with her PDK

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thanks for the interesting links you've been posting.

cheers

Craig

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06-19-2008 | 12:50 AM

#26

docjackson1

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one of the best qualities of the porsche has always been it's great shifter-and part of the fun driving it is shifting it. with these new transmissions, we are making our carreras into 5 series bmws. i would rather save the 4 grand and have fun shifting my porsche. just my opinion.

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06-19-2008 | 01:35 AM

#27

Vitamin_J

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I agree. I love shifting and modulating the clutch is one of the great joys of driving. I fear, err know, that in 10 years the clutch will be an afterthough in automotive design. The PDK is just one rendition of the new environment. I'm not crazy about it and wish that they had chosen an Italian F1 style interface.

Either way, this is a step forward. Not in the direction I had hoped, but they didn't ask me.

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