OT: What makes a "girlie" car a "girlie" car?
11-27-2006, 08:22 PM
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For the record, chic cars on the east coast (my reference point) are white, black, or some champagne pearl deal...not red. They are generally very cutsie but don't have any performance to back up the looks.
You guys are looking at this the wrong way...as a single guy, all my 911 ever got was derided by the women I dated. Comments like "small weenie huh?" or have "to show off your insecurity" are the flip side of the idea of a car that women favor and would buy. Ever analyze why every guy on this board thinks he needs more power (and wants louder mufflers) when few among us can even use 80% of the car's potential?
A little perspective...
I am with Soulteacher on this one....
You guys are looking at this the wrong way...as a single guy, all my 911 ever got was derided by the women I dated. Comments like "small weenie huh?" or have "to show off your insecurity" are the flip side of the idea of a car that women favor and would buy. Ever analyze why every guy on this board thinks he needs more power (and wants louder mufflers) when few among us can even use 80% of the car's potential?
A little perspective...
I am with Soulteacher on this one....
11-27-2006, 08:26 PM
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All generalities are B.S. (Except, of course, this one.)
11-27-2006, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Edgy01
Actually, Porsche has been working to make their cars more suitable for women,...
11-27-2006, 08:53 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by Le Chef
I'm just looking for the clues and cues that will help designers of other products have some sense of what the design principles of sexual identity are.
what's the pay?
i'm w/ soulman too!
11-27-2006, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by B-Line
1) any sports car with a tip regardless of performance improvement over manual is more feminine than a stick.
2) any sports car with a tip/cab combo is not just girlie, it is very effiminate times 2. And if your excuse is, "my wife can drive it," it's effiminate times 4.
3) any car in lowest build category, ex, boxster is girlie. boxster S is cool. (this is because MEN get the "S" stuff that women will not pay for.
4) "Some" cars in "Some" colors. A red Miata is feminine. A red 911Turbo is not. Basically, if your going to say it loud, make sure your saying something other than, "look at me". If your car says "look at me" and the car is nothing to look at, it's effiminate.
2) any sports car with a tip/cab combo is not just girlie, it is very effiminate times 2. And if your excuse is, "my wife can drive it," it's effiminate times 4.
3) any car in lowest build category, ex, boxster is girlie. boxster S is cool. (this is because MEN get the "S" stuff that women will not pay for.
4) "Some" cars in "Some" colors. A red Miata is feminine. A red 911Turbo is not. Basically, if your going to say it loud, make sure your saying something other than, "look at me". If your car says "look at me" and the car is nothing to look at, it's effiminate.
1) A Tip plus disabled plates = OK; You're trying
2) Or if there are books, sweaters, toiletries, or anything covered in fur
3) Unless it's something ridiculous like a Toyota Corolla X RS
4) If your car says "look at me" and the car is nothing to look at, it's effeminate and poseur
11-27-2006, 09:46 PM
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This is something I read a year ago
Top cars: men vs. women
When it comes to cars, it's easy to figure out what men are after. It's women who are complicated.
June 14, 2005; Posted: 4:03 p.m. EDT (2003 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/funonwheels/06/06/male_cars/index.html
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN/Money staff writer
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - A look at marketing data showing which cars men prefer and which ones women like revealed something I'd long suspected. While men may, indeed, be from Mars, women are from someplace much more complex and difficult to figure out. Maybe Boston. The figures, supplied by NOP World, a market research firm, show specific car models and an index number representing how many men -- or women -- intend to buy that car and no other compared to the percentage of their gender-mates who intend to buy the average car. In other words, these are cars that seem to sell most disproportionately to just one sex or the other. The most striking thing about NOP's data is how easy it is to figure out what guys want.
The Porsche 911 -- the most overwhelmingly male passenger car -- has an "Index Male to Total" of 214.3, for example. That's more than double the average. The car's "Index Female to Total," on the other hand, is just 14.3. It's surprising the 911 doesn't grow hair on its hood and eat Krispy Kreme for breakfast. Other cars at the top of the masculinity dial include the exotic Ford GT supercar, Maserati Spyder, Jaguar XK8 sports car and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. You get the idea: If it's very fast, awfully fast, terribly fast or way, way too fast, guys like it. Also, they tend to be expensive.
The one common trait among cars that women like is that they are not expensive. The most womanly car, with a "Female" index of 200, is the yet-unreleased Pontiac G6 convertible. (You go, Oprah! Plus, it's a convertible.) Actually, the G6 has a wide lead in the "girl car" category. The closest other passenger cars are the Suzuki Forenza with an index of 150 and the Volkswagen New Beetle with an index of 147.6. How do women decide which cars to buy? "If you picture a fraction with cost as the denominator then, as the numerator, you have things like reliability, performance..." said Doug Scott, NOP World's automotive analyst. He went on with a long list of factors.
To sum it up, women add up the good things, subtract the bad things, then compare the result with the cost of the car. Then they think carefully about the result. Men, it seems, just add stuff up then wonder if they can afford it without having to switch to domestic beer. If a typical male mind -- take mine, since I'm evidently not doing much with it -- were expanded to the size of the United States of America, that portion of the mind dedicated to responding to the word "enough" would be the size of a bumper pool table in a New Jersey bar. That portion of the brain dedicated to responding to the word "more," on the other hand, would occupy everything west of the Rockies, including Hawaii and the territories of American Samoa and Guam. That is why the Mustang GT has four headlights. Not because men want more headlights, but because those two extra headlights -- Ford calls them "fog lights" but, really, they're headlights -- are only available on the V8-powered Mustang GT. The male driver of a V6-powered Mustang, with its 210-horsepower engine, clearly has "enough" power. Probably more than enough. But when stopped at a red light next to a four-lighted 300-horsepower Mustang GT it is immediately obvious to everyone that the other driver has "more." This is the same reason that Dodge has greatly increased the size of the "Hemi" badge on its cars for the 2006 model year. The larger badge makes it very easy to see, at some distance, who has "more." Dodge has stated outright that it designs and markets cars for men. So it has given us the Dodge Magnum, a muscle-car station wagon. It has also given us the new Dodge Charger, a muscle-car family sedan with four doors, roomy back seats and a nice trunk. Clever, those Dodge boys. Clearly, they understand that, even though they are marketing cars to men, most men don't just go out and buy cars on their own. They still have to get the thumbs-up from someone else.
Women. Always making stuff complicated.
Top 10 cars for men
1. Porsche 911 coupe, $70,095 - $193,765
2. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, $28,504 - $35,274
3. Ford GT, $143,345
4. Volkswagen Phaeton, $68,905 - $104,455
5. BMW 6-series convertible, $76,900
6. Jaguar XK8 coupe, $69,830
7. Maserati Spyder, $92,302 - $96,465
8. Mercedes CL, $96,720 - $132,320
9. BMW 6-series coupe, $69,900
10. Porsche 911 convertible, $79,895 - $141,995
Top 10 cars for women
1. Pontiac G6 convertible, (Not yet available)
2. Suzuki Forenza, $13,994 - $18,494
3. Volkswagen New Beetle convertible, $22,940 - $27,100
4. Volkswagen New Beetle, $17,185 - $27,100
5. Pontiac Sunfire coupe, $11,460 - $15,770
6. Volvo XC70, $36,080
7. Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible, $25,744 - $31,544
8. Chrysler PT Cruiser convertible, $20,045 - $29,120
9. Kia Rio sedan, $10,535 - $13,065
10. Kia Optima, $16,585 - $20,585
When it comes to cars, it's easy to figure out what men are after. It's women who are complicated.
June 14, 2005; Posted: 4:03 p.m. EDT (2003 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/funonwheels/06/06/male_cars/index.html
By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN/Money staff writer
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - A look at marketing data showing which cars men prefer and which ones women like revealed something I'd long suspected. While men may, indeed, be from Mars, women are from someplace much more complex and difficult to figure out. Maybe Boston. The figures, supplied by NOP World, a market research firm, show specific car models and an index number representing how many men -- or women -- intend to buy that car and no other compared to the percentage of their gender-mates who intend to buy the average car. In other words, these are cars that seem to sell most disproportionately to just one sex or the other. The most striking thing about NOP's data is how easy it is to figure out what guys want.
The Porsche 911 -- the most overwhelmingly male passenger car -- has an "Index Male to Total" of 214.3, for example. That's more than double the average. The car's "Index Female to Total," on the other hand, is just 14.3. It's surprising the 911 doesn't grow hair on its hood and eat Krispy Kreme for breakfast. Other cars at the top of the masculinity dial include the exotic Ford GT supercar, Maserati Spyder, Jaguar XK8 sports car and the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. You get the idea: If it's very fast, awfully fast, terribly fast or way, way too fast, guys like it. Also, they tend to be expensive.
The one common trait among cars that women like is that they are not expensive. The most womanly car, with a "Female" index of 200, is the yet-unreleased Pontiac G6 convertible. (You go, Oprah! Plus, it's a convertible.) Actually, the G6 has a wide lead in the "girl car" category. The closest other passenger cars are the Suzuki Forenza with an index of 150 and the Volkswagen New Beetle with an index of 147.6. How do women decide which cars to buy? "If you picture a fraction with cost as the denominator then, as the numerator, you have things like reliability, performance..." said Doug Scott, NOP World's automotive analyst. He went on with a long list of factors.
To sum it up, women add up the good things, subtract the bad things, then compare the result with the cost of the car. Then they think carefully about the result. Men, it seems, just add stuff up then wonder if they can afford it without having to switch to domestic beer. If a typical male mind -- take mine, since I'm evidently not doing much with it -- were expanded to the size of the United States of America, that portion of the mind dedicated to responding to the word "enough" would be the size of a bumper pool table in a New Jersey bar. That portion of the brain dedicated to responding to the word "more," on the other hand, would occupy everything west of the Rockies, including Hawaii and the territories of American Samoa and Guam. That is why the Mustang GT has four headlights. Not because men want more headlights, but because those two extra headlights -- Ford calls them "fog lights" but, really, they're headlights -- are only available on the V8-powered Mustang GT. The male driver of a V6-powered Mustang, with its 210-horsepower engine, clearly has "enough" power. Probably more than enough. But when stopped at a red light next to a four-lighted 300-horsepower Mustang GT it is immediately obvious to everyone that the other driver has "more." This is the same reason that Dodge has greatly increased the size of the "Hemi" badge on its cars for the 2006 model year. The larger badge makes it very easy to see, at some distance, who has "more." Dodge has stated outright that it designs and markets cars for men. So it has given us the Dodge Magnum, a muscle-car station wagon. It has also given us the new Dodge Charger, a muscle-car family sedan with four doors, roomy back seats and a nice trunk. Clever, those Dodge boys. Clearly, they understand that, even though they are marketing cars to men, most men don't just go out and buy cars on their own. They still have to get the thumbs-up from someone else.
Women. Always making stuff complicated.
Top 10 cars for men
1. Porsche 911 coupe, $70,095 - $193,765
2. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, $28,504 - $35,274
3. Ford GT, $143,345
4. Volkswagen Phaeton, $68,905 - $104,455
5. BMW 6-series convertible, $76,900
6. Jaguar XK8 coupe, $69,830
7. Maserati Spyder, $92,302 - $96,465
8. Mercedes CL, $96,720 - $132,320
9. BMW 6-series coupe, $69,900
10. Porsche 911 convertible, $79,895 - $141,995
Top 10 cars for women
1. Pontiac G6 convertible, (Not yet available)
2. Suzuki Forenza, $13,994 - $18,494
3. Volkswagen New Beetle convertible, $22,940 - $27,100
4. Volkswagen New Beetle, $17,185 - $27,100
5. Pontiac Sunfire coupe, $11,460 - $15,770
6. Volvo XC70, $36,080
7. Mitsubishi Eclipse convertible, $25,744 - $31,544
8. Chrysler PT Cruiser convertible, $20,045 - $29,120
9. Kia Rio sedan, $10,535 - $13,065
10. Kia Optima, $16,585 - $20,585
11-27-2006, 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by arenared
In all seriousness, this is not bad, and I drive a Boxster (AN S!)
11-27-2006, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Le Chef
I'm just looking for the clues and cues that will help designers of other products have some sense of what the design principles of sexual identity are.
11-27-2006, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulteacher
Top 10 cars for men
1. Porsche 911 coupe, $70,095 - $193,765
2. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, $28,504 - $35,274
3. Ford GT, $143,345
4. Volkswagen Phaeton, $68,905 - $104,455
5. BMW 6-series convertible, $76,900
6. Jaguar XK8 coupe, $69,830
7. Maserati Spyder, $92,302 - $96,465
8. Mercedes CL, $96,720 - $132,320
9. BMW 6-series coupe, $69,900
10. Porsche 911 convertible, $79,895 - $141,995
1. Porsche 911 coupe, $70,095 - $193,765
2. Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, $28,504 - $35,274
3. Ford GT, $143,345
4. Volkswagen Phaeton, $68,905 - $104,455
5. BMW 6-series convertible, $76,900
6. Jaguar XK8 coupe, $69,830
7. Maserati Spyder, $92,302 - $96,465
8. Mercedes CL, $96,720 - $132,320
9. BMW 6-series coupe, $69,900
10. Porsche 911 convertible, $79,895 - $141,995
11-27-2006, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by icon
i'm sorry, but unless your "s" is a 2007 w/ 295 hp it falls directly in the "girlie" category.
Actually, correcting for weight, it's close.
Do you think you can convince Porsche to put the same drivetrains in the 987 for me? I'd really appreciate it. Just think of all the money I'll save on lipstick.
11-27-2006, 10:44 PM
#59
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No & No
Originally Posted by icon
so you're a product designer doing a marketing study on rennlist?
what's the pay?
i'm w/ soulman too!
what's the pay?
i'm w/ soulman too!
11-27-2006, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyNarcosis
I believe those are "Bitch Baskets". 
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