Killed in the Malibu Canyons
08-07-2006, 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Leader
Not to nit-pick, but both of those accidents happened on wide-open straights of Pacific Coast Highway. However, it was lack of driving skills (and common sense) that caused those wrecks just like the morons who can't handle the twists and turns of the canyon runs.
There's been nothing on the local news about today's reported 997 fatality, which is odd. The news media are usually quick to jump all over a death in an expensive sports car.
There's been nothing on the local news about today's reported 997 fatality, which is odd. The news media are usually quick to jump all over a death in an expensive sports car.
BTW, if this 997 had of been a Ferrari it would definately be getting press right now.
08-07-2006, 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SrfCity
BTW, if this 997 had of been a Ferrari it would definately be getting press right now.
I don't think it should it squelch any passion for driving, even spirited driving. But I know in my case, it reminds me to acknowledge and stay in the bounds of my own skills and engage in appropriate driving insomuch as the situation/laws permit. Accordingly, I'm forcing myself to stick with the Mini for my Nurbergring visits this summer and leave the M5 and Cayenne home until I gain more confidence/skill.
p.s. Richard Losee in the Enzo was acting neither moronic nor irresponsible and he does have a lot of seat time in performance cars. Accidents happen.
08-07-2006, 02:53 AM
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In my experience as a trauma surgeon, I've seen quite a few crashes... Almost all of them involved one of two factors: bad weather or substance use (e.g. Alcohol). Some other less frequent causes: driver fatigue, having a heart attack while driving, and just bad luck... (road conditions, etc.)
Let's all be careful out there. To paraphrase my motorcycle instructor, "there are old riders and bold riders, but there are no old bold riders."
Jimmy
Let's all be careful out there. To paraphrase my motorcycle instructor, "there are old riders and bold riders, but there are no old bold riders."
Jimmy
08-07-2006, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by phantomias33
p.s. Richard Losee in the Enzo was acting neither moronic nor irresponsible and he does have a lot of seat time in performance cars. Accidents happen.
Still haven't heard anything and I drove pass this morning again. Nothing there.
08-07-2006, 10:50 AM
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Sorry guys, I thought the CHP accident happened on PCH, too. I was wrong.
08-07-2006, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by phantomias33
p.s. Richard Losee in the Enzo was acting neither moronic nor irresponsible and he does have a lot of seat time in performance cars. Accidents happen.
08-07-2006, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Eggplant Cab
...making mistakes in judgement.
Mistake: Iraq had a mature weapons program.
Moronic misjudgment: Let's invade.
08-07-2006, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MrMetrx
The only collision I could dig up was about 7am on Malibu Canyon Road, 1 mile north of the tunnel. Vehicle roll over. Unknown vehicle or if fatality.
08-07-2006, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by SrfCity
However the common element was in both instances they were coming over a rise and the front end of the car got light and the driver lost control.
front end getting light entering a curve is not a good feeling to have.
doesnt take much of a rise either.
luckily it came down quick enough to make the curve.
jeff
08-07-2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by first 997S
how fast before the rise happens? over 50/60/70?
We're referring to some type of bump/hill in the road that makes the car want to take off a bit. There's a lot of factors that play into that but sure you could do it at 50 if it was a big enough bump.
08-07-2006, 08:30 PM
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It's really physics. Going over a rise at speed will pull weight off the front first so you lose steering traction then the rear gets light as you turn and the fronts regain traction. Plus the weight loading is uneven from the suspension compression and rebound.
The reverse can also happen where you hit a depression at speed and then the rebound lights the front wheels then the rear. If you're not careful which way the wheel is pointing esp in the wet then you could be in trouble.
The reverse can also happen where you hit a depression at speed and then the rebound lights the front wheels then the rear. If you're not careful which way the wheel is pointing esp in the wet then you could be in trouble.
08-07-2006, 08:33 PM
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One of the best tricks I ever learned for that sort of driving was to generally watch the telephone poles for clues,--on which way the road might go, if you haven't been there before. Chances are good that the poles will show you the way earlier than having to react from when you hit the peak of the hill. (In reality,--we shouldn't be outdriving our visibility).