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official shots of jim glickenhaus new ferrari p4/5 by pininfarina (styling model)
shots were starting to be posted on the web so
jim decided to go ahead and post shots on f-chat.
built from a brand new enzo at a cost between 4-5 million dollars.
660 bhp pushing 2645 pounds and a Cx of .338
official launch will be at pebble beach concours.

finished car pics post no. 24

gota911

It is definitely sleek. I am surprised that the exhaust pipes are on top of the rear deck. Paint it black and it could be Batman's "weekend" car.

OCBen

Hey Jeff, thanks for posting.

That odd looking chin gives the car an underbite look. It looks conspicuously incongruous with the rest of the design.

I think it would look better in white, myself.

ronmart

Thanks for posting this pic!

Not too shabby, but personally I'd take the Enzo as is and spend the extra dough building a collection like magwheels!

I agree with Ben's comment and it seems like they ran out of time or money when it came to developing the back end. I mean seriously, what's up with those tail lights?

Likemystoppie?

Wow! Beautiful!

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the above pics were of the styling model back in dec. '05 and there has been improvements since then and the final product images will be released on pininfarina's website on july 29th.
these two pics are where the designers drew their inspiration.
the top pic is jim's vintage ferrari 330 p3/4 worth more than 10 mil.
the bottom another ferrari 330 p4.
you can see where the rear gets it's design from these two pics.
the exhaust placement up high on the model actually adds down force to the rear of the car.

NiATE

Thanks for the pics. I do hope the final product has been tweaked a little. Intriguing show car, but seems to be lacking something; too soft, not edgy enough maybe? Ferraris have always had a very distinct shape about them and this one is a little amorphous. And I'm with gota, don't get it in black.

OCBen

It might add a bit, but not really a significant amount. I'm sure that's their explanation for why they did it that way, but if engine exhaust really had significant thrust capability we would see manufacturers claiming additional horsepower from exhaust thrust.

Incidently, speaking of downforce, the tradeoff in gaining downforce with the use of a wing is an increase in drag. This should be obvious to most of you. So if you have a wing on your car and are not driving it fast enough where you are making it work for you, then it's working against you in terms of increase in drag, increase in fuel consumption, not to mention an increase in weight.

1080iAddict

This is a nice car and all...but does it have iPod support?

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hey, i'm just reporting news here - not making it!
i think pininfarina knows a little about making cars!

per pininfarina thru glick:

"Yes. Look at the exhaust on modern F1 cars. It smooths the aero, lowers drag, and increases rear down force as the flow hits the rear spoiler which is an active aero device and larger than the one on the Enzo."

not just the exhaust thrust involved!
jim had this to say about the final product:

"Remember that this was the design as of December 05. We took this shape into the wind tunnel and took what we learned and made some changes. The nose for example is more curvy and the headlights as well esp. on the outside edge. The Pininfarina Team never stopped trying to improve the car and they're working 24/7 to make it even better"

"Yes there are differences and they make a surprisingly large difference but the major difference is that while this gives you a feel of the shape the fact that it is solid not transparent really makes it look different. In real live it's more "transparent" , lighter, curvey, and almost stealth aircraft like.
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"When you see the real car I think that you will agree that's there's nothing like seeing the real thing and as I've said it's a very powerfull experience...
It's different in interesting ways."

the interior was completed gutted and redone so i imagine it does have ipod support!
i think they even put in the high-end bose system!!! NOT!

one dif is the intake in the pic below which will replace the bronze looking ones on the model (front end)

jim's good buddy,
jeff

OCBen

Duly noted.

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ben,
do you think this crude illustration of mine is what he means?
seems combustible?
noticed the first couple pics dont even have the exhaust!?

OCBen

Yep, that's exactly what he's claiming.

The wing would have to be made of high temp material such as carbon-carbon composites - the type of material we use in nose cone applications for rockets and missiles.

The additional mass flow over the wing by the exhaust can contribute to an increase in downforce, but how much of a contribution is the question.

As I read the description of his it reminded me of the yet to be put into service F-22's vectored thrust feature. My first job out of college was working in the Air Force's Flight Dynamics Laboratory where we were testing the concept of vectored thrust. Basically what this does is it allows the jet exhaust to be deflected in order to provide additional maneuverability to the aircraft. It's main advantage is in providing short take off and landing capability, but its use in dogfight application is obvious. The vanes to deflect the hot exhaust were made of carbon-carbon composite. That was over twenty yrs ago and all that development is finally paying off in this new generation fighter. (Sorry to digress.)

fpb

Man...I don't like it at all. Looks too much like a concept car.

Who is jim glickenhaus anyway?

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nyc investment house glickenhaus & co., and former b movie director.
and big time ferrari collector.