Drove my neighbors new Z-06 last night...
#226
Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
The Z06 (as does any RWD car) requires more skill than the stock TT around the track due to the "sissy" controls on the Porsche.
Skill? I heard the Z06 requires stronger hairy-er forearms and a big belt buckle to rodeo/wrangle it around corners faster.
#227
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Originally Posted by MMD
New Turbo has more advanced SChrono-PSM settings than earlier 997s. BTW, you can always turn it off.
Skill? I heard the Z06 requires stronger hairy-er forearms and a big belt buckle to rodeo/wrangle it around corners faster.
Skill? I heard the Z06 requires stronger hairy-er forearms and a big belt buckle to rodeo/wrangle it around corners faster.
Regardless of what it takes to drive, it beats most stock Porsche around the track, and all this with only 2 drive wheels. What's next for the "tackers"? Maybe putting rails on the track so their times can be lowered?
RWD cars are the traditional true sports car setup and people who track their car using AWD, IMO, are not true racers. This does not mean that they are not be the best drivers in the world, but to compete against a traditional rwd sport car is hardly fair when ALL other things are equal. This is what makes the fact that a RWD car can beat an AWD car even more amazing. Kinda like a drag race with one car using slicks and the other, street radials.
One can only wonder if the Z06 had awd how much better the time would be? I am glad that Chevy us maintaining the sport car tradition in their new Vet.
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
Regardless of what it takes to drive, it beats most stock Porsche around the track, and all this with only 2 drive wheels. What's next for the "tackers"? Maybe putting rails on the track so their times can be lowered?
RWD cars are the traditional true sports car setup and people who track their car using AWD, IMO, are not true racers. This does not mean that they are not be the best drivers in the world, but to compete against a traditional rwd sport car is hardly fair when ALL other things are equal. This is what makes the fact that a RWD car can beat an AWD car even more amazing. Kinda like a drag race with one car using slicks and the other, street radials.
One can only wonder if the Z06 had awd how much better the time would be? I am glad that Chevy us maintaining the sport car tradition in their new Vet.
RWD cars are the traditional true sports car setup and people who track their car using AWD, IMO, are not true racers. This does not mean that they are not be the best drivers in the world, but to compete against a traditional rwd sport car is hardly fair when ALL other things are equal. This is what makes the fact that a RWD car can beat an AWD car even more amazing. Kinda like a drag race with one car using slicks and the other, street radials.
One can only wonder if the Z06 had awd how much better the time would be? I am glad that Chevy us maintaining the sport car tradition in their new Vet.
#229
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Originally Posted by riad
I'm seriously thinking you're making stuff up as you go along.
I suspect that my coments may keep the discussion going for a few more days.
#230
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche (z06 fanboy) 911
RWD cars are the traditional true sports car setup and people who track their car using AWD, IMO, are not true racers.
you make a lot of general comments and do not provide much in the way of facts.
the only place where acceleration times would help in a race is on the straights.
since the engines are at opposite ends of the two cars, the laws of physics would demand that one handle better than the other in any given situation.
the fact is the 911 in various forms has been MUCH more successful in racing than the corvette.
provide some facts to back up your comments.
#231
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Originally Posted by icon
some people say naturally aspirated cars are "the traditional true sports car setup" and people that track their car using superchargers "are not true racers"
you make a lot of general comments and do not provide much in the way of facts.
the only place where acceleration times would help in a race is on the straights.
since the engines are at opposite ends of the two cars, the laws of physics would demand that one handle better than the other in any given situation.
the fact is the 911 in various forms has been MUCH more successful in racing than the corvette.
provide some facts to back up your comments.
you make a lot of general comments and do not provide much in the way of facts.
the only place where acceleration times would help in a race is on the straights.
since the engines are at opposite ends of the two cars, the laws of physics would demand that one handle better than the other in any given situation.
the fact is the 911 in various forms has been MUCH more successful in racing than the corvette.
provide some facts to back up your comments.
I agree that boosted cars are not traditional track cars. I don't think I said anything differently, did I?
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From a true racing perspective, I would say that rear wheel drive cars are better for a knowledgable driver than AWD. Last year in World Challenge GT there was a 911 Turbo running with all of the other GT3 cars and mid way through the season they made it a 2wd car and their times got closer to the front running cars. I guess the added traction doesn't compensate for the added weight. My guess is the same is true with the 997TT.
I think that if the Z06 is going to be compared to any Porsche it should be compared to the GT3 as that is the performance model of the 911 as the Z06 is the performance model of the C6.
I think that if the Z06 is going to be compared to any Porsche it should be compared to the GT3 as that is the performance model of the 911 as the Z06 is the performance model of the C6.
#233
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
I agree that boosted cars are not traditional track cars. I don't think I said anything differently, did I?
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
I agree that boosted cars are not traditional track cars. I don't think I said anything differently, did I?
#235
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Originally Posted by ELUSIVE
Depends on what you mean by traditional track cars. Many of the most advanced race cars in the world are turbo's. Look at this years Lemans winner (R10) in addition to all Champ cars.
Last year does not define tradition. I guess if you are a youngster, tradition starts more recently for you. For us older folk, it starts a long time ago.
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Originally Posted by 1999Porsche911
Last year does not define tradition. I guess if you are a youngster, tradition starts more recently for you. For us older folk, it starts a long time ago.
#238
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Originally Posted by Porsh-uh
Tradition is the antithesis of racing. Racing is all about progress.
#239
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"Last year does not define tradition."
Ferdinand Porsche designed supercharged Mercedes road cars & Auto Union GP cars in the '20s & '30s. Maybe that isn't long-ago enough.
Ferdinand Porsche designed supercharged Mercedes road cars & Auto Union GP cars in the '20s & '30s. Maybe that isn't long-ago enough.
#240
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Originally Posted by ked
"Last year does not define tradition."
Ferdinand Porsche designed supercharged Mercedes road cars & Auto Union GP cars in the '20s & '30s. Maybe that isn't long-ago enough.
Ferdinand Porsche designed supercharged Mercedes road cars & Auto Union GP cars in the '20s & '30s. Maybe that isn't long-ago enough.
Columbus discovered America in 1492....but like you said, what does that have to do with traditional track cars? Tradition is not what the first or the last thing was/is, but what is the norm over a period of generations.
But, we digress. What about those CUBS!!