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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 02:01 AM
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Sam, do car needs to be strip of wax prior to installing clear bra?
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 02:03 AM
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who did the bra on for you previously? What brand was it?
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3m based. forgot the name.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 02:04 AM
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Sam, do car needs to be strip of wax prior to installing clear bra?
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but yes, wax needs to be stripped.
sam will do that for you before he applies the film.
he goes down to do install in LA area periodically.
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mooty
Sam, do car needs to be strip of wax prior to installing clear bra?
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but yes, wax needs to be stripped.
sam will do that for you before he applies the film.
he goes down to do install in LA area periodically.
Thanks "i am not sam"
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Leader
If I get a lot of "road rash," I think I'll opt for a front-end repaint.
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...But on the other hand if the covered area doesn't look as good as the uncovered I would almost rather chance some road chips. Point is if it doesn't look good on whats the point.
Here's the point: a repainted metallic body panel will never look as good as the original factory paint, and you will always be able to tell it apart from the rest of the finish. See this thread:

https://rennlist.com/forums/997-forum/226989-hereis-where-a-clear-bra-may-have-paid-for-itself-o-ouch.html
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 03:11 AM
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 996toomey
Big thread on rennteam about it and I have read it all. Was talking with an installer today at the germanautofest in Ventura and he was really making me think that you need to use 3M product. Do the people here that have it know what kind of film was used. I know some people here have used Sam at Premier with good results but I do not think he uses 3M. Also, anyone had it on a car for more than a couple of years wondering about yellowing and peeling.

Any input will be appreciated.

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Hello,

I heard the event was a huge turnout. Just wondering, Did this installer have a vendors booth set up at the event?

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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 10:26 AM
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Yes the 3M guy that was there had a little booth and about a 1 sq. ft. piece of meatal half covered with the product. Really could not tell anything about the work or product from his sample.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by OCBen
Here's the point: a repainted metallic body panel will never look as good as the original factory paint, and you will always be able to tell it apart from the rest of the finish. See this thread:
I hate to argue, but you need a new painter. My paint shop guy can match perfectly the factory paint (even the orange peel). He also adds some polymers to "soften" the paint which allows it to absorb more of the impact of stones. BTW factory paint is really NOT THAT GOOD! My paint guy keeps saying "you want me to match all of those flaws"!

Also, I will bet any money that I can tell if there is a "clear bra" on, regardless of the claims of the installer or the product they are using.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wross996tt
My paint shop guy can match perfectly the factory paint (even the orange peel). He also adds some polymers to "soften" the paint which allows it to absorb more of the impact of stones. BTW factory paint is really NOT THAT GOOD! My paint guy keeps saying "you want me to match all of those flaws"!
Well clearly what is meant by matching the factory paint is not the texture of the application, with the orange peel and all the other flaws, but the color. Solid black is the easiest color to match. But on a metallic paint, not only does the hue of the color have to match the original but so does the density of the metal flakes in the paint, which is usually the most difficult aspect to match. I’ve seen paint jobs where the hue is an exact match in the shade, but in the sun the mismatch in reflection is obvious due to the difference in metal flake density.

I don’t know if it’s been figured out yet how to read and measure the metal flake density of an existing paint and then dialing that up for an exact match on the paint nozzle end. If so, then that would be the solution to exact paint matching.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by OCBen
Well clearly what is meant by matching the factory paint is not the texture of the application, with the orange peel and all the other flaws, but the color. Solid black is the easiest color to match. But on a metallic paint, not only does the hue of the color have to match the original but so does the density of the metal flakes in the paint, which is usually the most difficult aspect to match. I’ve seen paint jobs where the hue is an exact match in the shade, but in the sun the mismatch in reflection is obvious due to the difference in metal flake density.

I don’t know if it’s been figured out yet how to read and measure the metal flake density of an existing paint and then dialing that up for an exact match on the paint nozzle end. If so, then that would be the solution to exact paint matching.
Absolutely correct, the darker the paint the easier to match. Even the factory has difficulty matching paints lot-to-lot. The paint mfgs. (e.g., PPG) have a very difficult time matching materials to the application processes. Unfortunately not enough science being applied there. That being said a good painter can blend it so it is virtually undetectable (much less so than a "clear bra" IMO)
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wross996tt
That being said a good painter can blend it so it is virtually undetectable (much less so than a "clear bra" IMO)
And reapplying a clear bra over a repainted bumper cover, say, will make any "virtually undetectable" mismatch even more undetectable due to the optical altering properties of the plastic film which will help "mask" the fact that it was repainted.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by OCBen
And reapplying a clear bra over a repainted bumper cover, say, will make any "virtually undetectable" mismatch even more undetectable due to the optical altering properties of the plastic film which will help "mask" the fact that it was repainted.
"Optical altering properties" by means of refraction, reflection and absorption could go either way. I state again, I can see any "clear bra" and you will not be able to tell if I have repainted, but this is not really a big deal...you do it your way, I'll do it mine. I just won't put plastic slip covers on my leather couch. GO BRA-LESS!
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wross996tt
I state again, I can see any "clear bra" and you will not be able to tell if I have repainted...!
Of course anybody can see a clear bra if they look for it. Nobody is seriously claiming a clear bra is literally invisible. But if nobody knows it's on, it's not at all conspicuous, and is not as detracting as a black vinyl bra, which my daily driver has. If not for the clear film, my 911 would be wearing one of those. It's just for paint protection.

A repaint, on the other hand, may not be noticeable to the untrained eye. But I can clearly tell on a metallic paint finish. And I don't need my loupe to do so.
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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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