997 C4S Questions
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merbesfield--I am not sure that the 997 C4S has any wide body at all. The 996 C4S had the Turbo body and running gear [so did the 993 C4S], but after seeing pictures of the 997 C4S, it looks exactly like a Carrera S with a "4" Badge in front of the "S" Badge. Make sure you look carefully at descriptions, etc before plunking down $6 Grand for 4 wheel drive that you aren't sure you want....
I could be wrong, but after looking at the pictures that I saw posted the other day, I was sorely disappointed in the lack of any styling change from the 2WD car [unlike the 996 model].
I could be wrong, but after looking at the pictures that I saw posted the other day, I was sorely disappointed in the lack of any styling change from the 2WD car [unlike the 996 model].
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Originally Posted by footUNDER
I really don't know how to respond to merbesfield question/comment on "what people are thinking"
I just know what I am thinking....and it's the all wheel drive & normally aspirated power. The "widened ****" ain't a bad thing either.
I liked the wide back on my 98 993 C2S....but wish I had gone ahead and gotten a C4S. Now may be my chance.
Doug
I just know what I am thinking....and it's the all wheel drive & normally aspirated power. The "widened ****" ain't a bad thing either.
I liked the wide back on my 98 993 C2S....but wish I had gone ahead and gotten a C4S. Now may be my chance.
Doug
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Originally Posted by ventoGT
merbesfield--I am not sure that the 997 C4S has any wide body at all. but after seeing pictures of the 997 C4S, it looks exactly like a Carrera S with a "4" Badge in front of the "S" Badge..
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but I don't see the need for AWD in Atlanta. I am also not too sure that I would enjoy the way it drives. Why dosn't Porsche offer wide body in a two wheel drive?
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So you'll have even wider tires for snow and rain? That doesn't make sense.
I would love the "wider" look, but for me, I don't really like the feel of an AWD car, that's just me. I live in Texas so I can't appreciate AWD like you northern guys.
I would love the "wider" look, but for me, I don't really like the feel of an AWD car, that's just me. I live in Texas so I can't appreciate AWD like you northern guys.
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Originally Posted by merbesfield
but I don't see the need for AWD in Atlanta. I am also not too sure that I would enjoy the way it drives. Why dosn't Porsche offer wide body in a two wheel drive?
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I am driving a 2002 996 C4s right now. And today, I went to my local Porsche dealer and test drove a 997 S.
WOW...it's so much faster! Sum it up: 997 S is more refine, quieter inside, FASTER, suspension seem to be a bit firmer, exhaust tone is great....I am sold on it.
In short, I am now on the waiting list for a 997 C4s.
WOW...it's so much faster! Sum it up: 997 S is more refine, quieter inside, FASTER, suspension seem to be a bit firmer, exhaust tone is great....I am sold on it.
In short, I am now on the waiting list for a 997 C4s.
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driving a new 997 in the snow?????????? hmmmm we get snow in NC but but 1 in 10 cars get hit in the snow....... LOL .. i think i will keep the suburban for the snow and 997 for the sunny days and the track .Just my opinion.
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Probably to late, but here is the official word from Porsche:
Porsche Unveils 911 Carrera 4 Coupe for 2006
New and Wider All-Wheel Drive 911 Available in both Carrera and Carrera S Models
ATLANTA, GA, MAY 9, 2005 – Porsche today released initial details and photography of its next generation all-wheel drive 911 model – the 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4. The new version offers significantly more engine, braking and handling performance than its highly respected predecessor. For the first time, the model will be available with two engine options. It also features wider bodywork, to accommodate larger rear tires, and an enhanced Porsche Stability Management system designed to provide shorter stopping distances and optimal braking.
A direct descendant of the famed all-wheel drive Porsche 959, the 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 Coupe is offered with two engine variations. The standard Carrera 4 is powered by the proven 3.6-liter, flat-six cylinder 325 hp (SAE) engine that propels the car from 0 to 60 mph (96 km/h) in 4.9 seconds and to a top test track speed of 174 mph (280 km/h). The Carrera 4S is equipped with a larger 3.8-liter power plant that develops 355 hp (SAE) and accelerates the car from 0 to 60 mph (96 km/h) in 4.6 seconds and to a top test track speed of 179 mph (288 km/h).
The most striking exterior feature of the new Carrera 4 Coupes is their more muscular rear bodywork. To fit the Carrera 4’s 295/35ZR 18 and the Carrera 4S’ 305/30 ZR 19 larger and higher performing standard rear tires, the rear fenders are 1¾ inches (44 mm) wider.
The Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system on the new Carrera 4S has two new functions to enhance braking. To eliminate the air gap between the pads and the disk and shorten stopping distances, the brake system is pre-filled prior to full brake application. For optimal braking, the hydraulic pump builds up extra pressure to bring all the wheels into the ABS range if the driver depresses the brake pedal quickly but not forcefully.
As with the previous version, the Carrera 4’s all-wheel drive system has a multi-disk viscous coupling that transfers between 5 and 40 percent of the driving force permanently to the front wheels. This feature provides excellent handling in curves, straight-line stability at high speeds, and improved traction on slippery roads.
To further enhance handling, for the first time the Carrera 4 is available with the new Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) system. Standard on the Carrera 4S and an option on the Carrera 4, PASM allows the driver to select between the comfort of a Grand Touring car and the track-ready precision of a genuine high performance sports car at the touch of a button.
The optional Sport Chrono Plus package is also offered as an option on both models. For sportier performance, it modifies the engine management characteristics and the control behavior of the PSM and PASM systems.
The 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 Coupe and Carrera 4S Coupe will be introduced to the United States and Canada in the fall of 2005 at a price of $77,100 US and $112,800 CDN for the Carrera 4 Coupe and $87,100 US and $127,500 CDN for the Carrera 4S Coupe.
Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), based in Atlanta, Ga., and its subsidiary, Porsche Cars Canada, Ltd., are the exclusive importers of Porsche 911, Boxster and Carrera GT sports cars and Cayenne sport utility vehicles for the United States and Canada. A wholly owned, indirect subsidiary of Dr. Ing. h.c.F. Porsche AG, PCNA employs approximately 250 people who provide Porsche vehicles, parts, service, marketing and training for its 206 U.S. and Canadian dealers. They, in turn, provide Porsche owners with best-in-class service.
Porsche Unveils 911 Carrera 4 Coupe for 2006
New and Wider All-Wheel Drive 911 Available in both Carrera and Carrera S Models
ATLANTA, GA, MAY 9, 2005 – Porsche today released initial details and photography of its next generation all-wheel drive 911 model – the 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4. The new version offers significantly more engine, braking and handling performance than its highly respected predecessor. For the first time, the model will be available with two engine options. It also features wider bodywork, to accommodate larger rear tires, and an enhanced Porsche Stability Management system designed to provide shorter stopping distances and optimal braking.
A direct descendant of the famed all-wheel drive Porsche 959, the 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 Coupe is offered with two engine variations. The standard Carrera 4 is powered by the proven 3.6-liter, flat-six cylinder 325 hp (SAE) engine that propels the car from 0 to 60 mph (96 km/h) in 4.9 seconds and to a top test track speed of 174 mph (280 km/h). The Carrera 4S is equipped with a larger 3.8-liter power plant that develops 355 hp (SAE) and accelerates the car from 0 to 60 mph (96 km/h) in 4.6 seconds and to a top test track speed of 179 mph (288 km/h).
The most striking exterior feature of the new Carrera 4 Coupes is their more muscular rear bodywork. To fit the Carrera 4’s 295/35ZR 18 and the Carrera 4S’ 305/30 ZR 19 larger and higher performing standard rear tires, the rear fenders are 1¾ inches (44 mm) wider.
The Porsche Stability Management (PSM) system on the new Carrera 4S has two new functions to enhance braking. To eliminate the air gap between the pads and the disk and shorten stopping distances, the brake system is pre-filled prior to full brake application. For optimal braking, the hydraulic pump builds up extra pressure to bring all the wheels into the ABS range if the driver depresses the brake pedal quickly but not forcefully.
As with the previous version, the Carrera 4’s all-wheel drive system has a multi-disk viscous coupling that transfers between 5 and 40 percent of the driving force permanently to the front wheels. This feature provides excellent handling in curves, straight-line stability at high speeds, and improved traction on slippery roads.
To further enhance handling, for the first time the Carrera 4 is available with the new Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) system. Standard on the Carrera 4S and an option on the Carrera 4, PASM allows the driver to select between the comfort of a Grand Touring car and the track-ready precision of a genuine high performance sports car at the touch of a button.
The optional Sport Chrono Plus package is also offered as an option on both models. For sportier performance, it modifies the engine management characteristics and the control behavior of the PSM and PASM systems.
The 2006 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 Coupe and Carrera 4S Coupe will be introduced to the United States and Canada in the fall of 2005 at a price of $77,100 US and $112,800 CDN for the Carrera 4 Coupe and $87,100 US and $127,500 CDN for the Carrera 4S Coupe.
Porsche Cars North America, Inc. (PCNA), based in Atlanta, Ga., and its subsidiary, Porsche Cars Canada, Ltd., are the exclusive importers of Porsche 911, Boxster and Carrera GT sports cars and Cayenne sport utility vehicles for the United States and Canada. A wholly owned, indirect subsidiary of Dr. Ing. h.c.F. Porsche AG, PCNA employs approximately 250 people who provide Porsche vehicles, parts, service, marketing and training for its 206 U.S. and Canadian dealers. They, in turn, provide Porsche owners with best-in-class service.
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i am holding on to my 996 4cs, after finding out about the 997 4cs.
i am disappointed.
the previous 4cs was in the 'image' of the turbo; both in mechanicals and looks. not the newer one. the wider bum is 5mm more each side of the 996 4cs. the 44mm is over the 2's. also the rear reflector really something i would really miss.
i shall wait for maybe a 4cse ? version later ?.
i also feel that the 996 4cs will hold its value a lot better now, [than before launch of 997 4cs]
cheers
i am disappointed.
the previous 4cs was in the 'image' of the turbo; both in mechanicals and looks. not the newer one. the wider bum is 5mm more each side of the 996 4cs. the 44mm is over the 2's. also the rear reflector really something i would really miss.
i shall wait for maybe a 4cse ? version later ?.
i also feel that the 996 4cs will hold its value a lot better now, [than before launch of 997 4cs]
cheers
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Originally Posted by merbesfield
do they both have the turbo body work and brakes? is the only dif. the awd? do awd cars handle better than 2wd in the dry? i know my older porsches were prone to the **** end around syndrone if you were not real careful, what about the 996's.
In short, 4WD is a bit easier for the driver to approach the limits of the car since it will use all four tires for accelerative grip and lateral grip in turns. However, some people think that 4WD "feels" numb, A RWD car will "feel" move lively and, in a 911, it will take a much more skilled driver to approach 9/10 than in a 4WD. So, in an average driver's hands, 4WD will be slightly faster than 2WD if the limits are approached. But, a skilled driver will be just as fast in both with a slight advantage to the RWD car due to the lighter weight.
Still, you have to try both to experience the different "feel" personally...
Better put...it's ALL GOOD. Just what floats your boat...
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BTW, Porsche intro'd AWD because of Audi and its Quattro. After Audi came out with the all conquering Quattro almost all European makers tried to make AWD their own! Even Mercedes.