DoubleNutz

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Dude you are really tooting on the new butt gas now! Save some for RR will ya, he's gonna need it.

Please don't try an make us believed that you are actually concerned about Skips problem with any real sincerity or that you understand what we are discussing until you have actually read his post. Otherwise you look like an azz.

JESUS H CHRIST!!!

GreggT

Put down the mouse and step back from the keyboard.
Golly...........Rennlist has changed.

DoubleNutz

No it has not changed. We've always been here, in fact before you. May I draw your attention to the dates joined? I have been a member here since "Christ was a Corporal"! #030510-3335

Wachuko

Sorry to hear of what you are going thru... but it is not worth the aggravation. Start the Lemon law process right away. You can always buy the next year model once Porsche has (if they do) sorted out what is wrong...

PogueMoHone

Skip,

It sounds as if your car is already a lemon, more than 4 attempts to fix the same problem, check your states lemon laws on the web to check the exactt details.

I would park the car at the lot tell them to take it back (replace?). Who needs the hassle! MB took my car back at 600 miles because they knew, that I knew, that they couldn't fix the ESP problem.

Doing that helps all Porsche owners, because someone within their organization has to be accountable for the quality problems, and if the problem is not on their "doorstep" then they have no ownership of it. When Porsche recognizes and deals with it's quality problems we all win.

Seven returns, how big a 2x4 do you need to be hit over the head with?

Paul Marangoni

Why hasn't Skip chimed in here since his original post? What's the status?

Tour18

Hey Skip, my comments above were not a condemnation of you. I was poking fun at all of us.

The bottom line is that manufacturers have factored for bad product. We just need to get you with the right people a Porsche. It's no sweat off their back to make you happy. Not to mention future sales...

And please don't ever hide bad news from the board... And if you gotta' vent, then go for it...

Christer

I thought people weren't allowed to badmouth Porsche on here? Normally you guys go crazy when someone says they have had a problem....double standards are ugly.

Also, that Double Nutz guy with the finger pulling sh*t, what the hell is that? I feel slightly sick every time I read one of his posts for some reason. I also love the way he proves himself wrong with no help from anyone else. The dictionary says that whilst the word exists, you basically are a complete moron if you use it. Classic.

Butt gas.....sigh.....there is no help for some people......

SkipSauls

Thanks to all for the supportive comments and suggestions. The car is at the dealer, having been there overnight, and it's not clear yet whether or not they have fixed it, or can. I have informed them that I want my money refunded or the car replaced, and that I won't accept this one, even if it is supposedly "fixed". I'm waiting to hear back on that, and also from the regional rep, who is on vacation and might not be available until Monday.

Several local PCA members have suggested lawyers in the event that there are "difficulties", and our zone rep has forwarded the information to her friends at PCNA. I also have information on how to send a letter to the Big Kahuna at PCNA, and may send a letter in any case just so that he is aware of this problem. Many thanks to those who have provided resources, suggestions for handling the case, and so on.

For the record, I think that the 997 is a great car, and I sitll want one, but I don't want this particular car. As some on the board have pointed out, I am a fan of these cars, I'm not some sort of "newbie", and I've been more tolerant than could be reasonably expected of anyone facing this sort of situation. I expect Porsche to "do the right thing" here, and I would expect no less of any other car manufacturer.

Thanks again.

munro86

Skip,
Could you tell us the nature of the problem please.

DoubleNutz

Alas, woe is me! my dignity has been struck down by the mighty sword of my own plume...

Doublenuts enacts more wonders than a man, Daring an opposite to every danger: His dignity is slain, and all on word he fights, seeking for Christer in the throat of death.

"Rescue, fair lord, or else the day on Rennlist is lost!"

A Porsche! a Porsche! my dignity for a Porsche!

Withdraw, my lord; I’ll help you to a Porsche.

Slave! I have set my dignity upon a cast, And I will stand the hazard of the die. I think there be six Christers's in the field; Five have I slain to-day, instead of him.—

A Porsche! a Porsche! my dignity for a Porsche!

DoubleNutz

Skip, I am a bit concerned and I commend your patience. I have to agree that Porsche will do the right thing with regard to your situation. I suspect they will give you a new ride. However, I wonder if after they have retrieved your current 997S with all the problems that you have shared with us, concerning this particular car, if it will later end up in the "lease return" pen for some other unsuspecting buyer who will suffer the same problems you have.

Perhaps, if there were also a way to notify carfax of the VIN number and detail the issues you share with us. I beleive CarFax works directly from insurance claims so that may make it difficult to input the problems you have been experiencing or perhaps if you are able to share the VIN here on Rennlist in some way (is that even legal? I dunno ) after it has been recovered by Porsche.

Porshce has ALWAYS taken care of me, in and out of warrenty, so I just have to believe they will do the same for someone who has as much expereince as you in this marque.

RR

Santangelo,

What is so ignorant about asking what the fault code said the 8 times he went to the dealership?
I still havent heard. Have you?

If someone is that concerned about it, then why not mention what they were?
If it was me I would. if it was my car I would.
If I don't then Im basically using the forum to just cry, rather than solve a problem. And in that case we should have a separate forum for these posts called Unhappy Owners.
To me the forum is here in some part to solve problems, and to date, nothing that anyone has said, including Skip has got us closer to solving the problem.

Just my $0.02.
Say what you want.

scott watkins

Skip... sorry to hear about your issues with your new 997. I had similar experiences with my first 996. Are you saying that you want a new car because a check light continues to come on?

RJFabCab

Colm, I had an awful experience with a Mercedes that was eventually replaced before pressing the lemon law issue. I seem to remember that the dealer has fewer chances to repair a major safety item (e.g., brakes) compared to other general items. Also, I seem to remember that "electronics" are not covered, and this is where it might get a little fuzzy.

You also have rights under the lemon laws if your car is out of commission for over a certain number of consecutive days; however, the catch here is that legally a "comparable" loaner is basically any car with four wheels and a motor!

Here's a link to state lemon laws:

Lemon Laws