Starting from a base 997.2 6spd Carrera - what modifications would you do to create your version of the "T"? - Assume money is no object but modifications should be within reason (for example - no engine swaps, no major suspension changes, no welding sunroof, etc). Backseats to be retained, as well.
Would love to hear your thoughts.
- Remove nav and replace with shelf
- Radio delete
- SW center bypass
- PSE
- RS style interior door straps
- EU RS rear glass
- Rennline pedals
- Basic sports seats (non electric)
- PCCB

 

A carrera T is largely a marketing exercise - more value in some dimensions without having to pay for an S.

for those that can afford a new S, it’s still arguably the better car.

so starting with a 997, turning it into a “T” doesn’t actually make much sense - you’re building towards a compromise

 

I think you’re looking for this.

997.1 C2 Lightweight Street Car Build

 

appreciate your input, however this does not address the topic.

 

I'd start with a focus on the touch points for the best driver experience - that is half of what the T is all about (at least that's how I read it).
Numeric pedals
Shifter enhancement - SS, Numeric, FF, whatever
Shift **** of your preference
Colored belts over door straps (easier, and I'm a sucker for red belts)

Then handling performance
Lowering springs or...
Coil overs for dialed ride height and corner balancing
Lightest wheels you can find/afford

I like some of the other creature comforts (radio, ventilated seats...) so I wouldn't go that far. The link above for weight savings is a great menu to choose from...

 

I've done a bit of lightening on my 997.2 Carrera, including:
- Center muffler delete and replacement with a SW bypass (~15lbs saved if you believe the marketing)
- Stock wheels replaced with lighter Apex flow forged wheels (~4lbs saved per wheel, or ~15lbs total, again if you believe the marketing)
- Manual 4-way seats (~40lbs saved according to the internet)
- "Lightweight" battery (Odyessy, Braille, Optima). Still a lead acid, just a slightly smaller 60 AMP battery vs. the standard 80 AMP battery (~10lbs saved according to the internet)

All in all, I hope that I've taken out 100lbs give or take. My brain has tricked itself into thinking that I can feel a difference . I've also done a few other things to make the car feel more driver centric such as Rennline pedals, a Function First weighted shift ****, Function First semi, semi solid engine mounts, and Fister side mufflers. Overall I'm pretty happy with the car and think it gets pretty close to the Carrera T idea (a trivially lighter Carrera with some minor performance, touchpoint, and noise enhancements).

Hope this helps

 

A critical part of the 991 Carrera T setup is that it had some variation of the Sports PASM (SPASM) suspension as standard.

Karl.

 

If you want to save a little more weight, dump the rear seats.

 

What a really cool idea. Some good suggestions in the thread so far. My thoughts

1. Delete Rear Seats
2. Manual Seats or GT2 Buckets
3. Upgraded Suspension
4. LSD
5. Euro Bumper and Euro Crash Bar
6. Upgraded/lighter Exhaust
7. Upgraded/lighter Wheels in Titanium Grey
8. RS Door Strap
9. Lighter Battery
10. 911 T Style Decals in Titanium Grey
11. Mirrors in in Titanium Grey
12. 911 badging in Titanium Grey

 

very little
3 - 4 pounds?
every bit helps

 

Thought it was closer to 20lbs but my memory is terrible.

 

I'm probably showing my ignorance about the base Carrera because I am not sure you could buy one with these options, but if I were to build a 997 T (I wouldn't), I would start with a car that has a manual, LSD, Sport Chrono, and PSE. Then add/mod the following:

• carbon bucket seats. Each seat is 37 lbs. Not sure what manual sports seats weigh but I suspect they are heavier. Plus, they are more supportive and look great.
• lowering springs for optics and lower CoG, better handling.
• center muffler bypass
• BBS LMs for lower weight (or any lighter wheels)
• performance tires
• Numeric shifter and weighted shift ****
• GT3/Sport steering wheel
• GT3 LCAs
• bigger rear sway bar
• any other weight savings you can find/tolerate

Check out the build thread for preelude (https://rennlist.com/forums/997-foru...ty-photos.html). His build is there in practice if not spirit.

 

FYI - you know that BBS LMs are boat anchors, right? In 19" diameter ranging from ~ 23 to 27 lb

Heck, even E88s which I love and ran on my car I make no false pretenses about - they are heavy too for what they are.

I get the spirit of the thread, but I'm having a jovial time thinking any of you can discern 100-200lb of less weight? I certainly didn't feel it on the track with a passenger, and especially wouldn't on the street. And shedding 200lb from a stock car is a tall order unless you're stripping the interior entirely.

Again, all marketing. That even a Cayenne GT coupe has a "light weight" option is comical. Call it a stripped out "essential" version of the car in a "T" spec, sure. But let's admit that the driving outcome is barely improved by weight alone.

 

I actually don't understand how you can't feel 100 or 200 lbs of weight? Even 50 lbs, I can feel the difference in a 997. I'm either overly sensitive or you are numb. This isn't track stuff either... just street driving.

 

This is very likely because you aren't using the very latest N148373646646648783883646486464 Porsche rated tire.