- 40 lbs. Lightweight Lithium battery install
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10-09-2022, 07:45 PM
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Hey all,
Antigravity here, wanted to point out some things about this battery. We just make sure the battery is understood and explain a little about the batteries to the general readership on this forum.
-This is a smaller battery that is actualy made for Large Touring Motorcycles, and Powersports Vehicles, but some in the Performance/Tuner/Racing crowd also use it in serious Performance Car. We also make a true Automotive type Battery that is much better for Automotive applications. So this battery is much smaller in terms of the physical size but also the size of the Lithium Battery that is on the inside. The size of the Lithium battery on the inside is rated by AMP HOURS. To explain better this is a Smaller Amp Hour Battery. Meaning the Lithium Battery inside this Case is a much lower Amp Hour Rating than our '"Automotive" Specific Battery. For example this battery offers 16 amp hours. Our Auto Specific Battery recommended for Street use vehicles is the 40Amp Hour Models. WE make this ATX30 Version you see pictured above in a Heavy Duty Version also that is 24Amp Hours also. So while this battery CAN be used in some Auto applications it will absolutely require more maintenance and more "keeping an eye" on the battery to make sure it does not over-discharge. So it is NOT optimal for those looking to replace a Lead/Acid Battery Auto Battery with a LIKE-KIND Lithium Battery. If you are looking at Lithium for a regular street-use Car get a 40Amp Hours minimum to replace the typical Porsche Battery.
-If using this type of Battery you have to be SERIOUSLY performance oriented. Yes this battery will easily start a Porsche. But that is not the ONLY point of a Battery. A Battery is an energy supply that should offer enough energy for emergency lighting, being able to power the car in the event you need to run accessories for a certain amount of time such as the Lights/Radio, and for also being able to have enough energy so your Car can sit several weeks to a few months in storage and still start again. Lastly you want 40Amp Hours so you have proper cold weather starting.
So yes, we understand there are many performance oriented enthusiasts that love the massive wieght benefit, and yes it can work, but we cannot look at this application and say... "Hey that battery works for everyone, and any application..." It doesn't and we don't recommend it except if your really into tracking and stuff and realize what your getting into. Its a strictly Race/Performance Battery meant for only hard-core enthusiasts who are willing to take the extra time monitoring and maintaining the battery, and making sure it is kept on a charger since it has a smaller Amp Hour Rating and 997s do have in some cases large parasitic draws from electronics.
The point is not to bash the Customer who installed it, we are performance guys ourselves and trick out our Cars also, and have seen this elseware by alot of the Tuner/Performance crowd, and supply this battery to racers all over the world. Yet, we can't officially condone it for normal Auto use due to potentials for issues due to too low of Amp Hours. We also know it seems to be a more economic alternative, but it really isn't overall since you spend more time looking after the battery, you have to buy a mount, it doesn't have the built-in "Wireless" Jump Starting of the Antigravity Car Batteries have.
So just wanted to explain that to other who may be new to lithium and not understand the potential issues.
Antigravity here, wanted to point out some things about this battery. We just make sure the battery is understood and explain a little about the batteries to the general readership on this forum.
-This is a smaller battery that is actualy made for Large Touring Motorcycles, and Powersports Vehicles, but some in the Performance/Tuner/Racing crowd also use it in serious Performance Car. We also make a true Automotive type Battery that is much better for Automotive applications. So this battery is much smaller in terms of the physical size but also the size of the Lithium Battery that is on the inside. The size of the Lithium battery on the inside is rated by AMP HOURS. To explain better this is a Smaller Amp Hour Battery. Meaning the Lithium Battery inside this Case is a much lower Amp Hour Rating than our '"Automotive" Specific Battery. For example this battery offers 16 amp hours. Our Auto Specific Battery recommended for Street use vehicles is the 40Amp Hour Models. WE make this ATX30 Version you see pictured above in a Heavy Duty Version also that is 24Amp Hours also. So while this battery CAN be used in some Auto applications it will absolutely require more maintenance and more "keeping an eye" on the battery to make sure it does not over-discharge. So it is NOT optimal for those looking to replace a Lead/Acid Battery Auto Battery with a LIKE-KIND Lithium Battery. If you are looking at Lithium for a regular street-use Car get a 40Amp Hours minimum to replace the typical Porsche Battery.
-If using this type of Battery you have to be SERIOUSLY performance oriented. Yes this battery will easily start a Porsche. But that is not the ONLY point of a Battery. A Battery is an energy supply that should offer enough energy for emergency lighting, being able to power the car in the event you need to run accessories for a certain amount of time such as the Lights/Radio, and for also being able to have enough energy so your Car can sit several weeks to a few months in storage and still start again. Lastly you want 40Amp Hours so you have proper cold weather starting.
So yes, we understand there are many performance oriented enthusiasts that love the massive wieght benefit, and yes it can work, but we cannot look at this application and say... "Hey that battery works for everyone, and any application..." It doesn't and we don't recommend it except if your really into tracking and stuff and realize what your getting into. Its a strictly Race/Performance Battery meant for only hard-core enthusiasts who are willing to take the extra time monitoring and maintaining the battery, and making sure it is kept on a charger since it has a smaller Amp Hour Rating and 997s do have in some cases large parasitic draws from electronics.
The point is not to bash the Customer who installed it, we are performance guys ourselves and trick out our Cars also, and have seen this elseware by alot of the Tuner/Performance crowd, and supply this battery to racers all over the world. Yet, we can't officially condone it for normal Auto use due to potentials for issues due to too low of Amp Hours. We also know it seems to be a more economic alternative, but it really isn't overall since you spend more time looking after the battery, you have to buy a mount, it doesn't have the built-in "Wireless" Jump Starting of the Antigravity Car Batteries have.
So just wanted to explain that to other who may be new to lithium and not understand the potential issues.
10-07-2022, 05:54 PM
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Somehow... that wide bracket across the battery so close to the terminals worries me. In a frontal crash a Li-ion short circuit will not be pretty.
It appears that the Ctek unit you are using is Li-ion ready. Good!
It appears that the Ctek unit you are using is Li-ion ready. Good!
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10-07-2022, 07:50 PM
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Hmmm?
Ive never seen a Porsche front end compressed all the way to the windscreen/fire wall in a crash.
Ive never seen a Porsche front end compressed all the way to the windscreen/fire wall in a crash.
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10-07-2022, 07:58 PM
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10-07-2022, 11:37 PM
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just wrap some electrical tape or paint it with a rubberized paint "as seen on TV" or Plastidip with many coats --Geez; its worth the 40lb weight loss and not having to worry about being locked out of the frunk
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10-08-2022, 10:28 AM
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A $10 battery terminal cover will do the trick. For what you spend on an AntiGravity, you'd think they'd throw one in. I believe an uncovered + terminal will not pass tech inspection for DE/track.
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10-08-2022, 12:53 PM
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Where are you guys getting your antigravity or such setups? Looking for something with a cool mounting setup.
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10-09-2022, 07:45 PM
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Hey all,
Antigravity here, wanted to point out some things about this battery. We just make sure the battery is understood and explain a little about the batteries to the general readership on this forum.
-This is a smaller battery that is actualy made for Large Touring Motorcycles, and Powersports Vehicles, but some in the Performance/Tuner/Racing crowd also use it in serious Performance Car. We also make a true Automotive type Battery that is much better for Automotive applications. So this battery is much smaller in terms of the physical size but also the size of the Lithium Battery that is on the inside. The size of the Lithium battery on the inside is rated by AMP HOURS. To explain better this is a Smaller Amp Hour Battery. Meaning the Lithium Battery inside this Case is a much lower Amp Hour Rating than our '"Automotive" Specific Battery. For example this battery offers 16 amp hours. Our Auto Specific Battery recommended for Street use vehicles is the 40Amp Hour Models. WE make this ATX30 Version you see pictured above in a Heavy Duty Version also that is 24Amp Hours also. So while this battery CAN be used in some Auto applications it will absolutely require more maintenance and more "keeping an eye" on the battery to make sure it does not over-discharge. So it is NOT optimal for those looking to replace a Lead/Acid Battery Auto Battery with a LIKE-KIND Lithium Battery. If you are looking at Lithium for a regular street-use Car get a 40Amp Hours minimum to replace the typical Porsche Battery.
-If using this type of Battery you have to be SERIOUSLY performance oriented. Yes this battery will easily start a Porsche. But that is not the ONLY point of a Battery. A Battery is an energy supply that should offer enough energy for emergency lighting, being able to power the car in the event you need to run accessories for a certain amount of time such as the Lights/Radio, and for also being able to have enough energy so your Car can sit several weeks to a few months in storage and still start again. Lastly you want 40Amp Hours so you have proper cold weather starting.
So yes, we understand there are many performance oriented enthusiasts that love the massive wieght benefit, and yes it can work, but we cannot look at this application and say... "Hey that battery works for everyone, and any application..." It doesn't and we don't recommend it except if your really into tracking and stuff and realize what your getting into. Its a strictly Race/Performance Battery meant for only hard-core enthusiasts who are willing to take the extra time monitoring and maintaining the battery, and making sure it is kept on a charger since it has a smaller Amp Hour Rating and 997s do have in some cases large parasitic draws from electronics.
The point is not to bash the Customer who installed it, we are performance guys ourselves and trick out our Cars also, and have seen this elseware by alot of the Tuner/Performance crowd, and supply this battery to racers all over the world. Yet, we can't officially condone it for normal Auto use due to potentials for issues due to too low of Amp Hours. We also know it seems to be a more economic alternative, but it really isn't overall since you spend more time looking after the battery, you have to buy a mount, it doesn't have the built-in "Wireless" Jump Starting of the Antigravity Car Batteries have.
So just wanted to explain that to other who may be new to lithium and not understand the potential issues.
Antigravity here, wanted to point out some things about this battery. We just make sure the battery is understood and explain a little about the batteries to the general readership on this forum.
-This is a smaller battery that is actualy made for Large Touring Motorcycles, and Powersports Vehicles, but some in the Performance/Tuner/Racing crowd also use it in serious Performance Car. We also make a true Automotive type Battery that is much better for Automotive applications. So this battery is much smaller in terms of the physical size but also the size of the Lithium Battery that is on the inside. The size of the Lithium battery on the inside is rated by AMP HOURS. To explain better this is a Smaller Amp Hour Battery. Meaning the Lithium Battery inside this Case is a much lower Amp Hour Rating than our '"Automotive" Specific Battery. For example this battery offers 16 amp hours. Our Auto Specific Battery recommended for Street use vehicles is the 40Amp Hour Models. WE make this ATX30 Version you see pictured above in a Heavy Duty Version also that is 24Amp Hours also. So while this battery CAN be used in some Auto applications it will absolutely require more maintenance and more "keeping an eye" on the battery to make sure it does not over-discharge. So it is NOT optimal for those looking to replace a Lead/Acid Battery Auto Battery with a LIKE-KIND Lithium Battery. If you are looking at Lithium for a regular street-use Car get a 40Amp Hours minimum to replace the typical Porsche Battery.
-If using this type of Battery you have to be SERIOUSLY performance oriented. Yes this battery will easily start a Porsche. But that is not the ONLY point of a Battery. A Battery is an energy supply that should offer enough energy for emergency lighting, being able to power the car in the event you need to run accessories for a certain amount of time such as the Lights/Radio, and for also being able to have enough energy so your Car can sit several weeks to a few months in storage and still start again. Lastly you want 40Amp Hours so you have proper cold weather starting.
So yes, we understand there are many performance oriented enthusiasts that love the massive wieght benefit, and yes it can work, but we cannot look at this application and say... "Hey that battery works for everyone, and any application..." It doesn't and we don't recommend it except if your really into tracking and stuff and realize what your getting into. Its a strictly Race/Performance Battery meant for only hard-core enthusiasts who are willing to take the extra time monitoring and maintaining the battery, and making sure it is kept on a charger since it has a smaller Amp Hour Rating and 997s do have in some cases large parasitic draws from electronics.
The point is not to bash the Customer who installed it, we are performance guys ourselves and trick out our Cars also, and have seen this elseware by alot of the Tuner/Performance crowd, and supply this battery to racers all over the world. Yet, we can't officially condone it for normal Auto use due to potentials for issues due to too low of Amp Hours. We also know it seems to be a more economic alternative, but it really isn't overall since you spend more time looking after the battery, you have to buy a mount, it doesn't have the built-in "Wireless" Jump Starting of the Antigravity Car Batteries have.
So just wanted to explain that to other who may be new to lithium and not understand the potential issues.
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10-10-2022, 09:01 AM
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Scott,
will the alternator charge the lithium ATX30 when driving?
The car is primarily used for track events along with occasional Cars & Coffee meets etc.
No radio or power accessories. Just DRL's & Headlamps.
No winter/severe cold weather use due to Hoosier racing tires.
It always stays on a CTEK lithium charger in the garage.
Thxs Rich
will the alternator charge the lithium ATX30 when driving?
The car is primarily used for track events along with occasional Cars & Coffee meets etc.
No radio or power accessories. Just DRL's & Headlamps.
No winter/severe cold weather use due to Hoosier racing tires.
It always stays on a CTEK lithium charger in the garage.
Thxs Rich
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10-10-2022, 02:04 PM
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Scott,
will the alternator charge the lithium ATX30 when driving?
The car is primarily used for track events along with occasional Cars & Coffee meets etc.
No radio or power accessories. Just DRL's & Headlamps.
No winter/severe cold weather use due to Hoosier racing tires.
It always stays on a CTEK lithium charger in the garage.
Thxs Rich
will the alternator charge the lithium ATX30 when driving?
The car is primarily used for track events along with occasional Cars & Coffee meets etc.
No radio or power accessories. Just DRL's & Headlamps.
No winter/severe cold weather use due to Hoosier racing tires.
It always stays on a CTEK lithium charger in the garage.
Thxs Rich
Hey Rich,
Yes the Alternator will charge the ATX30 when driving.
The application you are using it for is right in the pocket for what it could be used for, But I don't know what model Car you are talking about. I assume a Porsche? But which one? I would suggest also looking at the higher Amp Hours model like the ATX30HD... which has 24 Amp Hours vs 16Ah in the regular ATX30. Also keep in mind the built-in Jump Start feature of the regular ATX 30 is not tested for Cars but rather for Motorcycles.
We just always want our products to work in their uses, so that is why we waffle when someone wants to put the smaller batteries into a Car. We have gotten people who will bash us on the internet and say "Hey I put an Antigravity Battery in my Car and it didn't work and always ran out of energy..." Then we find out they used these Motorcycle Batteries, which we don't recommend. So we have to be very clear about what we recommend, and regardless with the regular ATX30 its just very low Amp Hours for a Modern Porsche with all its electronics, and Porsche throw flags if the voltage gets to low. So these small batteries are not the best option to be blunt.
So I can say YES this ATX30 may work fine in your Car provided you keep it charged and monitor it and have limited accessories as you said.... but it is walking a tightrope for me to say "for sure , no problem" because we never know how much a person really monitors the battery in their Car. Hope you understand that perspective.
If you have any other questions let us know.
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10-10-2022, 03:23 PM
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Thank You Scott!!!
Its a 2012 997 GTSCup conversion.
No power windowa/no power seats etc.
Ok i will keep it for now with CTEK Lithium charger connected when not in use.
What is "battery monitoring" ?
How do you perform that?
Regards Rich
Its a 2012 997 GTSCup conversion.
No power windowa/no power seats etc.
Ok i will keep it for now with CTEK Lithium charger connected when not in use.
What is "battery monitoring" ?
How do you perform that?
Regards Rich