Butzi 997

I got the email, and I bought my 2012 997.2 just 3 years ago. If you click on the attachment for affected vehicles it's 3 pages long and covers nearly every water-cooled, as I recall.

So I looked up my car's window sticker mpg and I'm averaging 1mpg less than the published city mileage but 2 mpg higher on the highway. So, I'm supposed to think Porsche owes me money?

This feels like ambulance chaser crap, probably related to VW's Dieselgate. The TDI (terrible diesel injection) owners had legit claims. I'm not going for this nonsense, thanks.

I was wrong about the years in the suit, see attached (nothing earlier than 997.1)
https://www.porschegasolinesettlemen...33&inline=true

Quote from email regarding owners- "Former owners, lessees, and non-original owners may be eligible to claim compensation."

They'll try to get anyone in on the grab.

CAVU

...and there is a bonus!

"Furthermore, Class Vehicles with Sport+ Mode that are part of the ongoing Sport+ emissions recall will receive an additional $250 for completion of the recall."

The fun car is not broken, so I guess I will have to put a warning sticker on it if I have to take it in for service. "Keep your update out of my car".

TerrestrialFlyte

I’m far from a lawyer but I’d imagine that lawsuit was brought here in the US and citizens of other nations would have to do so in their own court systems.

ADias

When we bought these cars we were very familiar with their gas mileages. We did not get them for that in any case. These forums have many posts demonstrating great gas mileage in road trips. Are we blindly running towards this and feeding the ambulance chaser class action attorneys?

ADias

Are there software updates being installed? And I do not mean just for class action freeloaders. Next I take the car for dealer service, will there be an EPA-mandated software change that will change the car? Honest question.

CAVU

The quote in my post was straight from the email I got. I had read tidbits here and there in the news that Porsche was also being investigated on the gas side as a matter of the fall out from diesel-gate. The email was the first official/unofficial thing I have seen.

I was not happy with my dealer when they updated my PDK control unit WITHOUT my consent. It has been years since I had a dealer service my 911. So if I have to take it in, maybe we will have definitive position on what has to be updated or not, the impact of the update, etc

vexed

Not that I can see. For some cars you get a "revised" Monroney Sticker, that might be nice if you lost your original one.For those you get more $$. For me I get $200 and nothing else. The class lawyers get $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

CAVU

IRT The Sport + $250. Found some more documentation at the settlement website. Very narrow group of cars. None of mine are affected.

Prairiedawg

I believe the sport plus update was only for 981, 991 vehicles.

The whole thing is pathetic, just a money grab by some greasy lawyers. I defy anyone to complain they were duped by Porsche about their gas mileage. Folks here on RL are already spending the $13 payout they'll get while the turd nugget lawyers will split $40mil. Aren't your parts and service costs high enough. All the costs of cars, parts, accessories, etc all have these lawsuits and judgments baked into them. This will just add to that.

Who was harmed?

Certainly not me.

bheit1

Is there a vehicle on the road where mileage matches the listed specs? Sure sounds like some ambulance chasers. I can understand why the court hasn't approved it.

Butzi 997

I really like the direction this thread took. Wish we all could meet up for a beer and talk about how much we love our cars, first round's on me.
Well done.

ADias

If people did that more often the world would be a better place.

gasongasoff

Y'all need to read the settlement FAQ. It's all explained in plain English. Lots of incorrect info in this thread so far.

Butzi 997

The header of the Porsche email states "In Re: Volkswagen Clean Diesel marketing, sales practices and products liability litigation" so we know where this suit is coming from. VW diesels had two different engine modes, one for testing, but another for driving which produced higher nitrogen oxide emissions and better mileage numbers. This was clearly illegal and lawsuit-worthy. But the only Pcar affected at that time was the Cayenne Diesel.

The case, as the email I received explains it, doesn't seem particularly complicated and can be summed up by a paragraph in the introduction and a paragraph in the FAQ, which I've read. It does a poor job of explaining the "why" it exists and a great job of explaining "how" to get money.

"Porsche and Volkswagen (the “Defendants”) have agreed to a Consumer Class Action Settlement Agreement and Release (the “Settlement”) to resolve claims that certain Porsche-branded gasoline vehicles sold or leased in the United States produce excess emissions and/or obtain worse fuel economy on the road than in testing conditions. Porsche and Volkswagen deny the claims but have decided to settle..."

"The Settlement is designed to compensate Class Members for driving vehicles for which the actual, on-road fuel economy may be up to 1-2 MPG less than was originally represented to consumers on the vehicle’s Monroney labels. Differences between the original and revised fuel economy ratings among the Class Vehicles resulted in different compensation amounts for each model and model year."

The Moroney for my car overestimated my real world mpg by 1 and underestimated my highway mpg by 2. In my opinion, that's not lawsuit-worthy because the delta of gas mileage in town at the level of 1mpg is entirely dependent on the way I drive.

Nothing in the FAQ went into the issue of "excess emissions" for gas Porsches. Are excess emissions in Porsches the result of simply burning more gas or does the car somehow produce excess emissions while getting the stated mileage- which is exactly what the legitimate lawsuit "Dieselgate" addressed?

The Car and Driver article below (2019) did a good job of explaining the original lawsuit being based on the VW engine modes.
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...sions-scandal/

Prairiedawg

My cars get nowhere near the stated mileage but I think that might have to do with the sound of the exhaust. For some reason the rpms stay between 4-7k! I drive for a while and the next thing you know, I'm at a 1/4 tank???

Maybe there is something to this lawsuit.