the whole thing is crazy. Come up with irrelevant and stupid KPI. Agree they are so stupid that following them is dumb, and Find a way to cheat them to placate regulators and IGNORE the lawyers who sue you over everything. Get caught, pay massive fine and have C level execs go to jail!

No Porsche 911 owner gonna cry if emissions are 245 or 255 gramme of co2 per 100km considering these cars - based on this wonderful forum member threads about incoming “new to me” 10 -15 year old 911s - are driven leas than some people bicycle per year!!!

Absolute madness.

 

I agree. So the following are purely speculative comments...

In countries that use CO2 g/km to determine annual road tax, then it could theoretically bite. I happen to be aware of road tax rates in Ireland (I'm from there originally), and the following are example bands:

A) 1-80g/km: €170 / $201 per year
...
F) 191-225g/km: €1,200 / $1,420 per year
G) More than 225g/km: €2,350 / $2,780 per year

So if a car was reclassed from 220g per year to 230g per year... then you might be hit for an extra $1,360 in road tax per year. I know I'd be grumpy if that happened to me.

The 997.2 C2 is 225 g/km, so it's right at the edge of moving from band F to G (in Ireland). Other countries (UK, Germany, etc.) will have different thresholds/rates that might catch a 997.2 C2S owner...

Having said all that, what's much more likely is the manufacturer would be fined (compliance, lost tax revenue, etc.), and the end user road tax rates would stay the same.

Karl.

 

Yes, agree on the last point, because car's emissions are in its technical passport and those are not gonna be changed also Im sure as this will be seen also super wasterful. But i wont put it past politicians to do super wasteful things, of course. Harrys Garage made a very good video about emissions and how the way they tackle it from government side is utter sham at times. Thoroughly recommended.

 

Any update on any of this?

 

Lawsuit was filed today. Quick google search should locate it for anyone interested. Looks like they found two Bay Area owners to be named plaintiffs. 911 class vehicles go back to 2008, which is still interesting to me.

 

Suit claims emissions software turned off while driving. If so, should be easy fix to just update the software perhaps?

 

Does anyone have the case name?

 

And if so... are you willing tp accept the possible performance penalty?

 

I have an 07 (.1), so shouldn’t affect me, but I doubt anyone with a .2 would want to bring their car in for a software update unless they get nicely compensated for it.

 

2009 C2S 161K miles

My buddy has a diesel Toureg... they fixed his car with a software update.... he said he got MORE performance. They have to make you whole... they just can fix the emissions and lower performance as you paid for both a car with a certain amount of performance and emissions. They have to match to claims made.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

 

"The first court hearings on the cases are due to take place in San Francisco in January."


https://www.tellerreport.com/news/20...JxNVmFOuw.html

 

https://m.carcomplaints.com/news/202...missions.shtml

I've read it and I don't get it - first guy had a error code?

 

2008 is a weird cut off

 

2008 is the first year of production on the Direct fuel injection engine system (for 2009 year cars), so the 997.1 would not have this, assuming it's tied to model that has the DFI or some other change they made for the 997.2 forward with emissions or engine management?

 

The fact that the lawsuit is taking place in San Francisco is telling. I bet an opportunistic low information car owner supported by an 'ambulance chaser' lawyer - plenty of the latter in California. This is on par with the class action regarding light colored upper dashes which forced PAG to hand-off free sunglasses which I refused to take advantage of. And it is the end of freedom to design a light interior.