Thinking of upgrading my 2009 997.2 steering wheel - Help needed.
03-09-2019, 03:40 PM
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Thinking of upgrading my 2009 997.2 steering wheel - Help needed.
I was wondering if anyone could give me some pointers when it comes to swapping steering wheels on a 01.2009 997.2 C4S PDK with Chrono.
Currently I have the standard three spoke steering wheel with the "thumb" shifters and would like to upgrade to a more contemporary steering wheel with paddles instead.
My OPC only have the black leather version available with paddles, which I declined, as my interior is all sand beige and like it that way. So, I found a sand beige version (oem, w/o airbag and brand new) in the UK for under USD 1’000, or rather, found 2 versions which opens a can of questions.
997.044.402.16T10 - Without Launch Control
997.044.402.17T10 - With Launch Control
1) What is the actual difference between the two?
2) Would either one work on my early 2009 997.2 C4S?
I have watched multiple youtube videos on how to swap the old with the new and seems very straight forward, so I’m actually thinking of doing this myself (just a tad worried about the flat cable and aligning this in the cable groove for the airbag placement as one youtuber managed to mess that up on a 997.1)
Any pointers would indeed be highly appreciated before I go ahead and fork out for the updated steering wheel...
Currently I have the standard three spoke steering wheel with the "thumb" shifters and would like to upgrade to a more contemporary steering wheel with paddles instead.
My OPC only have the black leather version available with paddles, which I declined, as my interior is all sand beige and like it that way. So, I found a sand beige version (oem, w/o airbag and brand new) in the UK for under USD 1’000, or rather, found 2 versions which opens a can of questions.
997.044.402.16T10 - Without Launch Control
997.044.402.17T10 - With Launch Control
1) What is the actual difference between the two?
2) Would either one work on my early 2009 997.2 C4S?
I have watched multiple youtube videos on how to swap the old with the new and seems very straight forward, so I’m actually thinking of doing this myself (just a tad worried about the flat cable and aligning this in the cable groove for the airbag placement as one youtuber managed to mess that up on a 997.1)
Any pointers would indeed be highly appreciated before I go ahead and fork out for the updated steering wheel...
03-09-2019, 04:49 PM
#2
I just did this on my 2009 997.2 with PDK it is pretty easy make sure as on the vid you disconnect the battery first . Also if you already have a round airbag you don't need to buy a wheel with an airbag as you can swap the one that came with the thumbshifters to the new one Air bag is found for $ 600 US . The hardest part is finding a beige wheel . Suncoast charges an extra 800 for the beige over the black .
You also have to make sure you have the correct tools to make the swap . Very important to have a torque wrench so you can tighten the wheel to the 37 ft lbs Porsche spec .
After you are back together there will be fault codes showing Pasm error and your sport button on dash will not work and others till you go for test drive and all will clear with 10-20 yards of driving!! .
Others have had the power windows have to be recalibrated as in the manual page 263 but i did not have to calibrate mine when I did my wheel swap.
Oh one last thing understand to release the airbag you have to push the 4mm allen wrench or flat screw driver in the hole or depression in bottom of steering wheel the release is actuated by pushing the spring to release some videos are not clear on the movement one vid actually shows how the spring moves to release demonstrated after the airbag has been removed
You also have to make sure you have the correct tools to make the swap . Very important to have a torque wrench so you can tighten the wheel to the 37 ft lbs Porsche spec .
After you are back together there will be fault codes showing Pasm error and your sport button on dash will not work and others till you go for test drive and all will clear with 10-20 yards of driving!! .
Others have had the power windows have to be recalibrated as in the manual page 263 but i did not have to calibrate mine when I did my wheel swap.
Oh one last thing understand to release the airbag you have to push the 4mm allen wrench or flat screw driver in the hole or depression in bottom of steering wheel the release is actuated by pushing the spring to release some videos are not clear on the movement one vid actually shows how the spring moves to release demonstrated after the airbag has been removed
03-09-2019, 08:41 PM
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Starting in MY2010, Porsche added lights in the steering wheel that indicate sports chrono mode (e.g. launch control). That's the difference between the two.
Both should work in a MY2010 or later car. Though it may need a trip to the local OPC for them to enable the lights (assuming you have sports chrono already).
Not exactly sure of your date format, but I believe you're saying you have a MY2009 car. If that's the case, both wheels will physically fit. But if you install one with the lights, it can never be made to work. You need a MY2010 or later.
Karl.
03-09-2019, 09:21 PM
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Karl you stated - Not exactly sure of your date format, but I believe you're saying you have a MY2009 car. If that's the case, both wheels will physically fit. But if you install one with the lights, it can never be made to work. You need a MY2010 or later.
But above that you said the MY 2010 had the lights Then - if you install the one with the lights, it can never be made to work.
Is that what you meant to say? Doesn't sound correct.
But above that you said the MY 2010 had the lights Then - if you install the one with the lights, it can never be made to work.
Is that what you meant to say? Doesn't sound correct.
03-10-2019, 06:17 AM
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Thanks guys for your reply, very helpfull indeed.
01.2009 means Jan 2009 and it also makes sense that certain functions were not available in the early .2 models as I asked my OPC some time back if I could get the multi function steering wheel which was not possible.
Based on your replies, I’ll be going for the 997.044.402.16T10 - without Launch Control steering wheel.
Thanks again
01.2009 means Jan 2009 and it also makes sense that certain functions were not available in the early .2 models as I asked my OPC some time back if I could get the multi function steering wheel which was not possible.
Based on your replies, I’ll be going for the 997.044.402.16T10 - without Launch Control steering wheel.
Thanks again
03-10-2019, 10:47 AM
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I just did this on my 2009 997.2 with PDK it is pretty easy make sure as on the vid you disconnect the battery first . Also if you already have a round airbag you don't need to buy a wheel with an airbag as you can swap the one that came with the thumbshifters to the new one Air bag is found for $ 600 US . The hardest part is finding a beige wheel . Suncoast charges an extra 800 for the beige over the black.
Was it:
997.044.402.16T10 - Without Launch Control, or
997.044.402.17T10 - With Launch Control
- I gather it makes no difference which one, as if the pre wiring is not setup for the Sport/Sport+/Launch Control that part will just not function... As long as the paddle switches work makes no difference to me, other than the Launch Control version is USD 100 cheaper than the non Launch Control version?
I have watched multiple videos and I think I'm pretty prepared (except for the part number - will go with the same you referred to). I'm starting preparing by having ordered a ½" Torque Wrench (40 - 210 Nm, 37ft/lbs = 50 Nm or thereabouts) along with the TR-55 torx bit and ½" extension as well...
Again, only worry I have is the refitting the airbag, as Auto amateur messed it up badly on his 997.1 (only one that seems to have messed it up what I have seen so far).
Pricewise, I'll be sourcing mine from 911design.co.uk (oem steering wheel in sand beige) at USD 896 (w/ Launch Control) or USD 966 (w/o Launch Control) + P&P to Switzerland...
03-10-2019, 11:13 AM
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Starting in MY2010, Porsche added lights in the steering wheel that indicate sports chrono mode (e.g. launch control). That's the difference between the two.
Both should work in a MY2010 or later car. Though it may need a trip to the local OPC for them to enable the lights (assuming you have sports chrono already).
Not exactly sure of your date format, but I believe you're saying you have a MY2009 car. If that's the case, both wheels will physically fit. But if you install one with the lights, it can never be made to work. You need a MY2010 or later.
Karl.
Both should work in a MY2010 or later car. Though it may need a trip to the local OPC for them to enable the lights (assuming you have sports chrono already).
Not exactly sure of your date format, but I believe you're saying you have a MY2009 car. If that's the case, both wheels will physically fit. But if you install one with the lights, it can never be made to work. You need a MY2010 or later.
Karl.
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03-10-2019, 10:39 PM
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Karl you stated - Not exactly sure of your date format, but I believe you're saying you have a MY2009 car. If that's the case, both wheels will physically fit. But if you install one with the lights, it can never be made to work. You need a MY2010 or later.
But above that you said the MY 2010 had the lights Then - if you install the one with the lights, it can never be made to work.
Is that what you meant to say? Doesn't sound correct.
But above that you said the MY 2010 had the lights Then - if you install the one with the lights, it can never be made to work.
Is that what you meant to say? Doesn't sound correct.
Both types of the optional paddle wheel (with and without lights) will physically fit in all MY of the 997.2. But only the MY2010 and later cars have the capability to enable the lights in the steering wheel (if that version is fitted). For some MY2010 or later owners, the lights don't light up after the initial install. They need a trip to their dealer/OPC to enable the lights on their newly installed wheel.
If you fit a wheel with lights to a MY2009 car, it'll physically fit just fine (airbag will work etc.). But the lights can never be lit up.
Karl.
03-11-2019, 12:27 AM
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My car is a 2009 997.2 PDK built in Late 2008 . The wheel I bought without airbag was for a 2010 997.2 PDK. the lights do not work but the paddles do work and the wheel is so much more with the Aluminum 3 struts over the plastic grey 3 spoke struts with thumb shifters !! The plastic wheel with the thumb shifters are able to be a heated wheel with an additional harness. I will be placing my std thumb shifter wheel up for sale soon.
03-11-2019, 01:40 PM
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Question on T-55 bit?
My car is a 2009 997.2 PDK built in Late 2008 . The wheel I bought without airbag was for a 2010 997.2 PDK. the lights do not work but the paddles do work and the wheel is so much more with the Aluminum 3 struts over the plastic grey 3 spoke struts with thumb shifters !! The plastic wheel with the thumb shifters are able to be a heated wheel with an additional harness. I will be placing my std thumb shifter wheel up for sale soon.
Last question, the torx T-55 bit I have is a 6 point bit and I believe I read somewhere the screw holding the steering wheel in place is a 12 point screw head. Can you confirm?
I found a 12 point, but what is the width I need, as it seems these are called M-something here (i.e. M14 = 14mm width)
Last edited by Frank996; 03-11-2019 at 01:57 PM.