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Old 02-09-2018, 11:52 AM
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Default Thinking of buying the complete Fabspeed 997 performance package

http://www.fabspeed.com/porsche-997-...mance-package/

I'm looking for first-hand impressions of this kit from those who have either bought it themselves or driven a car that has the kit installed on it. Anyone out there with input? It's an expensive kit, so I'm sure some will say that I can get more bang for the buck by picking and choosing components from different manufacturers and combining them on my car. What I like about Fabspeed is that they're a recognized and reputable company, and I like the idea of a homogeneous kit better than a random compilation of parts. Any first-hand impressions are greatly appreciated.
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Old 02-09-2018, 12:20 PM
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I think it would be better if you were to post what you are trying to achieve so people could give better advice. I would agree with you that the package you linked to is not probably for everyone. I cant see spending 8 grand to get a car that has an extra 15hp and different exhaust note. There are easier ways.

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Old 02-09-2018, 12:32 PM
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Better to get a GTS or Turbo, or perhaps find a OEM X51 kit.
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That is the full kit and tune that is on my car. It was there when I bought it. It sounds fantastic, and the car feels very quick and responsive. I like it a lot. My only valid comparison though is with an 04 C4S (996). Mine is an 05 C2. My car "feels" noticeably faster, and "quicker" to get there. I'd like to drive a 997 S sometime to compare. I've been told that with the mods on my car, including hi-flow cats, my crank hp is higher than a comparable stock S. I have not dyno'd it. I love the sound.
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Better to get a GTS or Turbo, or perhaps find a OEM X51 kit.

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Old 02-09-2018, 01:09 PM
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Hmm, I don't guess I'm really trying to accomplish anything. It's just kind of a gradual evolution of things, I think. Modding and "improving" the car is part of the ownership process for every enthusiast's car that I've owned. I drive them a bit, mod them a bit, drive them some more, mod them some more, etc. I don't like aesthetic mods, I like mods that add performance. I've had the car for 8 months now, and I'm looking to get some of the thrill back. My understanding is that this entire kit adds more than just 15hp. With intake, headers, 200-cell cats, mufflers and ECU flash, I would suspect the increase is more in the 30-45hp range, no? I would think that there is a noticeable increase in performance, as well as a noticeable improvement in induction/exhaust note. This is really why I'm seeking first-hand information on this kit. I'd like to know who bought it and liked it, who bought it and disliked it, and why.
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Originally Posted by DC911S View Post
Better to get a GTS or Turbo, or perhaps find a OEM X51 kit.
Well, I bought this car less than a year ago. It's in great condition and has very low miles for a 2007 (28,000 when I bought it, now about 35,000). I paid low 40's for it, and can't get close to either a GTS or a Turbo for that kind of money. I'm happy and glad to have a Carrera S, but I'd also like to make it all it can be without touching it aesthetically. "under the radar" or "sleeper," so to speak.
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Originally Posted by linderpat View Post
That is the full kit and tune that is on my car. It was there when I bought it. It sounds fantastic, and the car feels very quick and responsive. I like it a lot. My only valid comparison though is with an 04 C4S (996). Mine is an 05 C2. My car "feels" noticeably faster, and "quicker" to get there. I'd like to drive a 997 S sometime to compare. I've been told that with the mods on my car, including hi-flow cats, my crank hp is higher than a comparable stock S. I have not dyno'd it. I love the sound.
Thank you, this is the type of helpful info that I'm looking for
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:34 PM
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Look into doing the TPC supercharger kit. If you really want that extra HP it looks to be a good deal. I think VF also has blower kit for the 997.1
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No, I dont think you will see those gains everywhere in the power band. As an example, if you look at the power gains on the fabspeed headers, you'll see that on the "real" dyno that showed the 3 baseline runs and 3 performance runs after 4500rpm the gains were a wash. Basically none. As im sure you know if you are giving the car 100% acceleration you'd be shifting into each gear well above that 4500rpm mark anways so youd see basically no acceleration gains going WOT.



Look at the dark purple line at 6000rpm and then look at the yellow line at 6000rpm. It shows the stock run about 10hp HIGHER than the modified run.

The x51 power kit designed by Porsche gives around 20 CRANK horsepower. That kit includes higher flowing cylinder heads, a full intake tract change, and the sport exhaust.

So if you wanted to go all out and try and get around 40hp you could spend the 13 grand on the x51 kit and then another 5 grand on headers and cats and you may get close to that but thats a lot of modification for very little bang for the buck IMO.

If you love modding you may get more bang for your buck focusing on things like further weight reduction and more "feel good" mods like changing the intake or exhaust note to be more desirable to you. You wont get much more power but at least youll be spending a more reasonable amount of money on changes you are enjoying. Pick an exhaust that sounds be best to you and you will enjoy. I, personally, love the sounds of millteks and think the fabspeeds only sound good at WOT but at idle and light throttle they sound like fart cans IMO. So see what you like, though. Thats totally subjective. The sounds of an open intake is also really nice on this car. It gives it that signature Porsche "wail"

IMO you have to be careful about overmodding the NA porsche cars though. You can mod them away from what you liked about them or away from what they got right.

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X51 has different headers too...
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Originally Posted by bhvrdr View Post
No, I dont think you will see those gains everywhere in the power band. As an example, if you look at the power gains on the fabspeed headers, you'll see that on the "real" dyno that showed the 3 baseline runs and 3 performance runs after 4500rpm the gains were a wash. Basically none. As im sure you know if you are giving the car 100% acceleration you'd be shifting into each gear well above that 4500rpm mark anways so youd see basically no acceleration gains going WOT.



Look at the dark purple line at 6000rpm and then look at the yellow line at 6000rpm. It shows the stock run about 10hp HIGHER than the modified run.

The x51 power kit designed by Porsche gives around 20 CRANK horsepower. That kit includes higher flowing cylinder heads, a full intake tract change, and the sport exhaust.

So if you wanted to go all out and try and get around 40hp you could spend the 13 grand on the x51 kit and then another 5 grand on headers and cats and you may get close to that but thats a lot of modification for very little bang for the buck IMO.

If you love modding you may get more bang for your buck focusing on things like further weight reduction and more "feel good" mods like changing the intake or exhaust note to be more desirable to you. You wont get much more power but at least youll be spending a more reasonable amount of money on changes you are enjoying. Pick an exhaust that sounds be best to you and you will enjoy. I, personally, love the sounds of millteks and think the fabspeeds only sound good at WOT but at idle and light throttle they sound like fart cans IMO. So see what you like, though. Thats totally subjective. The sounds of an open intake is also really nice on this car. It gives it that signature Porsche "wail"

IMO you have to be careful about overmodding the NA porsche cars though. You can mod them away from what you liked about them or away from what they got right.

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Sound advice, thanks for the response. I have also considered just putting a Fabspeed intake and Fister mufflers on the car. That is likely the most cost effective way to increase my enjoyment of the car.
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X51 has different headers too...
Yep, If I could find X51 headers anywhere I would likely buy them immediately.
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The most economical way to get real extra power would be to sell your car and find another with the X51 option.
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Fabspeed intake 895.00
Fabspeed headers 1295.00
IPD Plenum 790.00
Fister D mufflers 380.00

So looking at about $3400 for these mods, which may be a suitable substitute for the full Fabspeed kit.
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