jayson

Just had a 996 Turbo that I am interested in complete PPI. The computer check showed the following:

Number of ignitions range 1: 65,535 / 2899h (revs at limiter 6750-7250)
Number of ignitions range 2: 1,079 / 2443.8h (revs above limiter / 7250 & up)
Operations hours counter: 2,900.1
Miles ~58k

What say the hive? Not sure how to react to these numbers. Slowly walk away? Perform leak-down test?

Another concern is that the rear driver side (cross member?) has been replaced, along with re-sprayed panels, indicating that the car was in an accident at some point in its life (doesn't show up on carfax).

Car is an 01 911 TT with 58k in otherwise 'good' condition. Seller asking $36k.

split71

Sounds like the car had a ton of type 2 over revs early on. It shows that it hasn't had any for 2443.8 hours of operation. I would think that if you had issues, they would have already cropped up, granted, that is a ton of over revs. I'd walk personally.

jayson

I am leaning towards it, especially in light of the repair work. However, if I am reading the chart right, I think it is saying the last Type 2 overrev was at hour 2443.8 (with 2900.1 total hours on the counter).

"02996ttx50

overrevs happen most often during test drives. personally i dont like the notion of undisclosed accidents requiring paint and is that a "b"pillar?

nah, too many cars to be had. i'd walk too.

Ck986

Is the car tuned, as that would explain the high range 2's? The Rev range 1 is extremely high. Sounds like this has been a track car. Also the operating hours seem a tad on the high side for the mileage.

"02996ttx50

^ good point. also, as has been mentioned countless times before. a raised rev limiter ( as mine is ) will tach on ( sorry! lol ) the type two's pretty quickly.

jayson

It has an evolution motorsports intake and exhaust, but no chip (to my knowledge).

Interesting comments on the hours vs. miles. Did the maths and it nets out at an average MPH of 20.17. Seems rather low to me. Wonder what the deal is there?

jayson

Under the car, there is a cross-member near the lower control arms (there is one on each side, I'm probably not getting the part name correct). This one has been replaced, tech suspects that the rear wheel area took a heavy hit from something.



Found a pic of it, 'side section' that bolts into the cross member. Control arms / etc mount onto it.

Atrox

Sounds like a good inspection, tech seems like he went over the car well. If your looking for a cheaper turbo and the tech can honestly say it's a good value then I would entertain an offer. Otherwise I'd walk away and look for an accident free car.

Tuxiemama

This

I thrash the hell out of my cars and have about 800 range 2's and only a few thousand range 1.

I also had a BMW that I crashed twice... rooted the front end and neither showed up on carfax or the autocheck thingy

PASS

pranqster

Jayson

You are correct. The type 2's were 50 hours ago. Combined with the accident fix I would pass. You can find really good turbos for not a lot more.

"02996ttx50

i'm sorry, i have no idea what that piece is or is called. for the most part i only have familiarity with parts i've replaced etc, but this speaks to the larger point. which would be, there are just too many accident free cars out there to be had, so unless there is some other really compelling factor like (a) an utlra low price? (b) you're doing the seller a favor? at least, something weighing more heavily in your favor since the price is in line with a fairly clean, if not pristine specimen, that might incline you to overlook items like this ( unknown accidents and the like? ) that makes walking away seem the more prudent approach and dismissal of this particular car. if it were me.

it really doesnt take much for the car to need to be put back into whack?! on a cellete bench. but you don't need this... but the car might?

dprantl

So the number of type 1 overrevs is 65535? Either it's a lot more than that since the counter is maxed out (unsigned 16-bit binary), and/or it is a faulty reading. Also interesting that the last type 1 happened in the car's last hour of driving.

Dan

jayson

Type 1 is when the car is brought to redline. 1 hour is reasonable considering that it is being test driven?

dprantl

Yes, that is reasonable. What is not reasonable is the fact that the type 1 counter is maxed out in the software. If Porsche intended the car to hit that many type 1's in its lifetime, they would have made the counter larger so it could count past 65535. That leads me to believe that this many type 1's is either extremely high (according to Porsche) or a manifestation of some kind of problem in the DME or reader or somewhere inbetween. I wonder if the type 1 last hit counter would go up if you just gently drove the car a little more and went nowhere near the limiter.

Dan