"02996ttx50

fine. whether "true" or not it changes noting about the reality the Porsche stiffened the chassis in the 996 turbo from MY 01 to MY 02.

which is all anyone confirmed upthread. all else is hyperbole or denial. but all good.

we all have stiff cars, just some are bit stiffer than other's

cheers.

rmc1148

There are plenty of 2001s drag racing and that takes a toll on a chassis, back in the day it was not uncommon for a car to twist itself into a pretzel with the addition of huge HP. I've yet to hear of a 2001 having damage from track use but I'm sure someone will pull one out of their **** lol.

Carlo_Carrera

[QUOTE=mcbit;12017736]The 2001 turbo was a standard c4 shell modified at the rear end to accept the new MB tip box. For MY02 stiffening was added across the board to cope with the increased power available from the X50 and GT2 models.

(Source Porsche Service Technik)

I am not tryng to be a jerk about this but you writing that the stiffening in the Turbo body occurred in MY 2002 Turbo is different than a Porsche document saying it. Can you post the actual document that states this?

mcbit

[QUOTE=Carlo_Carrera;12018288]I believe that I did!

...can you post the Porsche document which says that it didn't?

mcbit

...I believe you, and that means what?

Carlo_Carrera

[QUOTE=mcbit;12018485]There are no model years listed in this statement. It just says Turbo/GT2



Again please do not take this the wrong way. I am not trying to be a jerk. I am just trying to settle this once and for all. If I have been misinformed I will owe up to it.

wross996tt

All I can say is mine is stiffer than yours....LOL

mcbit

[QUOTE=Carlo_Carrera;12018644]996 GT2 did not come into existence until 2002

mcbit

Ask my wife!

rmc1148

I only fan the flames to liven up the discussion. All the years are more or less the same and a great value. In 10-20 years a clean 996tt will be hard to find and bring a premium. I will be selling in a couple months and boy will I miss the interaction of the forums.

Carlo_Carrera

[QUOTE=mcbit;12018658]I understand that but there is still no model year listed. This statement could be about MY 2003 or 2004.

I admit the parts list 993GT posted is swaying me to his/your side on this but I would still love for someone to post something written by Porsche saying the 2001 Turbo chassis was not stiffened like 2002+ MYs were.

My car is up on a lift pretty frequently because DE tech so next time it is I going to try and see if the rear seat pan reinforcement is present. It should be visible from underneath.

jumper5836

Some 2001 info here.
http://press.porsche.com/archive/pro...BO_RELEASE.pdf

Just a few quotes from it

Because Porsche increased the bending and torsional
s t i ffness of this platform, the new-generation 911 Turbo eliminates the structural
tube that enclosed the driveshaft on the previous car.

With the high performance potential of the 911 Turbo comes a high level of
occupant protection. A patented crumple zone body structure protects a re i n f o rc e d
passenger compartment. All new Porsche models include dual front airbags plus
the Porsche Side Impact Protection System that includes boron-steel door
re i n f o rcement beams, energy-absorbing door panels, and door-mounted side
airbags. The 30-liter capacity sidebags provide protection for the chest, head,
and pelvis.

jumper5836

another one
http://porscheclub.blogspot.ca/2011/...urbo-2001.html

above was probably taken from this one
http://press.porsche.com/archive/pro...o_In_Depth.pdf

Body Structure
Like a house, a car is only as strong as the foundation on which it is built. Commonly called a "chassis," the foundation really encompasses the car's body structure, front and rear suspension and brake systems. Just as a solid foundation provides the basic integrity and strength in a house, a car's foundation largely defines its handling responsiveness, passive safety capability, ride comfort, and long-term durability. "The stronger the better" applies equally to the foundations of houses and cars.

Porsche has achieved significant gains in body stiffness over the previous-generation Porsche 911 Turbo, increasing torsional stiffness in the 2001 model by 49 percent and bending stiffness by 82 percent.

GT3 Chassis Parts
The 2001 Porsche 911 Turbo offers a combination of handling response and everyday ride comfort not usually associated with cars of its performance level. The Porsche 911 Turbo is equally adept at commuting as it is at shining at high-performance racetrack driving events. Compared to the previous Porsche 911 Turbo, the new model features a 3.2-inch longer wheelbase to accommodate new crash structures and to improve stability and ride comfort. Although the suspension layout is the same as in the 911 Carrera, the 911 Turbo adopts several parts from the 911 GT3 (a normally aspirated, limited-production model not imported to North America), including mounting points for the car's main systems and the longer rear track control arms.

"02996ttx50

like i said, some of our cars are stiffer than others

thanks for undercutting much of this argument with the note of one simple yet unavoidable "fact"! that the 996gt2 only became available in MY '02.

mcbit? i have this admittedly vague theory ( wholly unsupported by "evidence", other than "anecdotal which i do readily admit, hence it is indeed just a "theory" ) that as the porsche 996 turbo became "more affordable" over these many ensuing years,.. ( along with the lower prices and accompanying lower barrier to entry of "ownership" ) a phenomenon has occurred marked by a certain class of buyer decidedly identified simply by their distinct absence of critical thinking skills, which are expressed daily in the 996 turbo forums. compare the current contributions to say, ones from 02 and up to maybe 08 when i began reading them as an owner, and the difference in content is markedly different, if not the topics themselves.

i could well be "wrong", but i don't think so, and ironically if someone doesn't "think" they "could" be wrong? they won't be, and not much can change that. it's like the inherent difficulty in "implying" something to a moron. it is by definition difficult best, at worst pointless, and most assuredly, ain't gonna happen lol

fortunately, it appears that carlo carrera is seemingly not among this aforementioned class of folks, as i believe he sees the error of his "position".

not that any of it ( facts ) really matter one bit. by way of example, has anyone spent much time in 991 turbo or gt2rs forums ( or their equivalent ) and happened to even accidentally compare the general level of discourse!?

the difference(s) are at times astonishing to me, and i'm one of the "dumb" ones lol. ...but...

unbelievable, really.

last thought, carlo. it's not as if you are/were "wrong", but the vehemence with which you denied the mounting evidence that supports the idea that indeed has been mounting, regardless of "our" lousy choice(s) of internet articles that chassis stiffness was in point of fact, increased from year to year 01/02 was what i took most exception to, and disagreement with.

we're all wrong about stuff from time to time. this was just your turn, i say... NEXT! lets argue about, i dunno.. oiled filters or something serious!

ADD: this had/has no point. i am here to learn and practice my typing skills, as although i have a stiffer than most, chassis? it's use it or lose it when it comes to thinking/typing. ha so this is just a rant.. /off.

rmc1148

A lot of truth but a little mean spirited= that I have come to expect and accept .