turbo4 me

As I said in my post, both cars are great and if Garth doesn't understand that the 993 is a classic, I can't explain it him.

I expect he prefers Megan Fox to Marilyn Monroe. I like both.

EB

jimq

It is not old enough to be a classic.

turbo4 me

I didn't realize there was an age limit. Would my 1978 SC qualify? The 993 was the last air cooled 911 and is a heck of a car. Anyone that says it sucks doesn't understand.

Keep in mind I really like my 996tt; I wish it wasn't depreciating (while 993s appreciate).

darth g-f

There, you say it yourself.

fstede1

Darth you are so right on regarding the positive points of the tt. The main difference is the heritage of the tt motor vs the 993 power plant.
I love driving my 63 Super 90 or my 84 911 Turbo Look Cp but the tt is so sweet.

Dock

Really?

petonic

I've got pretty much all of the options on the relatively new to me 04 996ttx50 cabrio (with PCCB). Sticker was 164K or so. So, with tax and license, yeah, getting up there.

What the original owner didn't get were the things that made it more convenient as a daily driver such as TPMS and parking sensors. Everything else was put in.

I ended up snagging it with 32K miles on the clock for $55K. Not a smoking bargain, by any means, but a solid deal. I'm pleased with my choice.

Dock

My guess is that the majority of the 996 Turbos sold were not spec'ed out with "pretty much all of the options". Additionally, your Turbo is a Cab, which is more expensive than the Coupe.

I paid $126k for my '02 Turbo (new). The X50 option would have been an additional $18k had I elected to get it, bringing the cost to only $144k.

Even paying 10% tax on your Turbo (when it was new) the total cost would have only been $180,400.00. It's quite a stretch from there to $200k.

jumper5836

Nav, Ceramic brakes, interior upgrades like deviated stitching the list goes on and on. Theres a post in the 991 forum of a 991 C4S priced at 160k. I know crazy. Personally I am glad they have depreciated this much. Just like I am glad the 120k Cayenne Turbo I got was also picked up for peanuts. I'm not rich but I'll take thier hand me downs.

Dock

Like Petonic's car already mentioned above. As I said, it's quite a stretch from $180k to $200k.

I believe the post I responded to stated "these cars", which I believe referred to the 996 Turbo, not the 991.

jumper5836

All relative. New cars are new cars and options are options. I hear yah though but do have a slighty skewed view on prices being from Canada and during the 996 days. We paid way more then Americans. My 996 C4S cost was 135k without taxes and no upgrades. I couldn't even look at the turbo at that time. It was 40k more. (only going from recollection it;s been awhile )

Dock

No, the 996 Turbo with X50 did not cost $200k.

Do you think he was talking about the cost of the 996 Turbo in Canada when he quoted the $200k price?

BioBanker

Those looking to justify the price of a 993 with anything other than greater fool theory, when the price of a 996 is less, will have a difficult time.

Not saying that 993s are not worth what they are selling for, but they're not better cars. They are not higher performance. The interiors are not superior. But what they are is less plentiful, subjectively more attractive to some, more nostalgic, etc...

If there were as many 993s as 996s, do you think that they would still be as expensive as they are?

I went through the same thing with my NSX. Great car, but no better than a 996C4s. I ended up selling it for practical reasons but I also wanted to capitalize on the premium it commands because there are so few of them forsale and very few actually trading hands. If the marginal buyer became price sensitive I imagined the cars value losing 25% to 50% overnight.

turbo4 me

It exactly is supply and demand- there are way too many 996tt's for sale (therefore the price drops).

Conversely, they aren't making any more air cooled cars, fewer are for sale, add in the fact that some people consider these to be classic, and prices rise.

This thread is about comparing the cost of ownership and 993 costs are much lower due to their appreciation vs the depreciation of the 996tt. Much to the chagrin of some-

petonic

I totally get the appeal of nostalgia for the air cooled motors. BMW Motorcycles went through the same thing 15 years ago.

Just like BMW, moving away from air-cooled saved their ***.

I had an '83 BMW R100S (air cooled boxer), and then moved to a '95 GS (oil cooled boxer) and finally settled on an '04 GS Adventure (oil cooled boxer).

In each one of those moves, I enjoyed riding much more.

I started in the P-car world with the '04 TTx50, never having experienced the air-cooled drive (except as a passenger). I suspect that I'll keep this car for 10-12 years. I appreciate the heritage of the 993, but love the drivability and the toplessness of my car.

To each their own.