cannon1000

What does that mean - "especially"? Would "Even if" be more appropriate?

tvurt

no the X50's spool much slower and lose more boost between shifts. The K16 cars are faster . . . stock for stock.

Stock K24 = 11.86@119.9 and a stock K16 11.7@121 . . .this has been debated to death before. . and demonstrated many times.

Dock

Please post up the "real world" proof.

jbossolo

Not if you have a set of Kevin's "zero clearance" X50 turbos...

horsepowerfarm

I will try to get his back on track, buy a 996TT! They are a lot of bang for the buck. I know that a PDK TT will spank most 996TT, and any stock one. It gives me something to look forward to!

c32AMG-DTM

Am I missing something? tvurt's posts in this very thread. Do you have any real-world experiences to share at odds with his?

I'm not talking "A should be faster than B because of X, Y, and Z" conjecture... but actual results.

tvurt

meh lets keep this thread on topic.

Dock - you can open up a thread entitled "why is Tom's car so slow" if you like. But it would be better for you to just go to an event and ask a new TTS owner to do a quick pull with you. You will be very surprised . .

SSST

Back on track why I bought a 996....

It's simple. I was looking at 997.2 S cabs when I stumbled across the car in my avatar. There was something about it I just liked. Started doing a little research and when I got to the bang for the buck, and added in the performance tuning aspects of a turbo. It was a no brainer. I can tinker with it and not really worry too much about hurting is as a lot of folks have gone before me.

Sure a 997tt with PDK is faster, but but thpe 996 tt is still scary fast. You can get close to 997 performance with some tuning. And really... Is it that important to get to the next stop light .1 second faster?

Bang for the buck. 996 tt is probably the best performance car value for the $.

Dock

I've driven the Turbo S, have you?

Besides, the 997 Turbo PDK is also in the mix here ("It takes 650 awhp and PERFECT shifting to keep up with a 2011 Turbo PDK").

The issue here is really PDK and its impact on acceleration (specifically rolling acceleration). My point has been that PDK isn't making up for the +130 hp deficit it faces against your car (in low boost).

For a rough idea of what PDK brings to the game, look at these two videos; one is a 997 Turbo 6-speed, and the other is a 997 Turbo PDK.

http://www.2009gtr.com/2010/09/2011-...che-turbo.html

http://tothefloor.com/2010-porsche-9...1-0-at-125mph/

997 Turbo 6-speed quarter mile in 11.2 sec.
997 Turbo PDK quarter mile 11.0 sec.

So roughly a 0.2 sec difference. But that's factoring in the launch control advantage the PDK has. To get an idea what contribution the PDK's launch control makes in quarter mile acceleration (and therefore giving an idea about what to back out if the start was from a roll) look at the results of this Car and Driver test:

http://www.caranddriver.com/features..._hammer_page_2

Launch control is good for about a 0.1 sec improvement in the same car's (Turbo S) quarter mile time (the fact that this is an S is not really important, as it's the PDK's launch control that is being isolated).

Quarter mile E.T. with launch control = 10.9 sec.
Quarter mile E.T. without launch control = 11.0 sec.

Using the data above, PDK is good for approximately 0.1 sec. in a rolling start encounter. My opinion is that +130 hp should more than easily cover the 0.1 sec, unless the +130 is in the upper RPM band (which is why I asked about where your power is made).

If you want to discuss this further, you can start a new thread...

1AS

On the track, tires and set-up count for a lot. This is especially true if you're on a track that doesn't require a lot of shifting ( locally, we have a couple of tracks that are primarily 2 gear tracks). So, in that circumstance, the less modern , but well modified car stands a chance.
But, the pdk would make a ton of difference at the drag strip, or even on a track where a long straight follows a tight turn. Nobody can shift that fast. AS

Fastboy

If we are buying our Porsches to be 1/4 mile drag cars, we bought the wrong car. Go buy a viper and mod the #$%$# out of it.
Personally, Iwanted my car to be a sports car. This means the ideal combination of cornering, accelleration and stopping power. The 996tt is the sports car deal of the century. Its cheap, its beautiful, its a track weapon (I track mine 3-4 times a year and as a relatively lousy driver still manage to school ZR1's, 997's, etc. etc due to this cars AWD and easy learning curve). I drove a 997 with PDK. Yup, it shifted fast. But as a sports car driver and not a drag car specialist, I want to enjoy the experince and be fully involved in driving the car.
Dont hesitate on buying a 996tt--they are bombproof, phenomenal cars and will give you years of enjoyment with amazing reliability. Get the manual and you will enjoy it to its fullest. I think the only car I would ever consider buying on top of this car is the 997 GT3RS just for the further fun-factor on the track it can offer--but I'm not enough of a track junkie to tolerate that cars stiffer suspension for daily commutes (and its light flywheel). But as a do-everything car, you cant beat the 996tt.

jbossolo

^ Excellent post. Could not agree more, particularly with this:

That's the only P-car that seriously entices me. I have a friend with an orange one, sharkwerks bypass, a soundtrack for the ages. Actually that's one of the few "negatives" of the turbo (too quiet). My friend says it sounds like a Hoover vacuum! At least it's a fast one.

porka

in my opinion the price slump has ended on the 996 turbos.

quite honestly i see the 996 as the last classic porsche.. the 997 had way too many varients.

therefore try to get into one soon before prices climb slightly

SoloRacer

You would be one of the minority unfortunately if you feel the 996 is one of the last classic Porsche's. The majority see the 993 model as the classic "air cooled" Porsche and the 996 is a diversion from the original model and it was made in too great of numbers to be a collectable car - with the exception of possibly the GT2 and GT3 models. The 996TT is a great driver car and one that we can put miles on without worrying too much about damaging the collectability. That is why I bought it. When I was looking at 911 Turbo's I originally wanted a 993TT but decided that because I was going to actually drive it year round I would be better off with the 996TT as to drive a 993TT in the winter and put lots of miles on it would harm the value so much more than a 996TT. In short, people buy the 993TT because it will be a collector car and as such they want them as garage queens. The 996TT will never be a collector car and can be driven a lot without worry.

Carlo_Carrera

Here is a link to a few for sale:

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...les&sf2Dir=ASC