Modifying a GT2
11-13-2002, 12:02 PM
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Modifying a GT2
Has anyone here had a chance to drive an ECU modified GT2 yet? I'm just curious to know if the extra power is too much for the RWD setup?
Thanks in advance,
Amir
Thanks in advance,
Amir
11-13-2002, 01:46 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Amir 996TT:
<strong>Has anyone here had a chance to drive an ECU modified GT2 yet? I'm just curious to know if the extra power is too much for the RWD setup
Amir</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey buddy, your wife was right!
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<strong>Has anyone here had a chance to drive an ECU modified GT2 yet? I'm just curious to know if the extra power is too much for the RWD setup
Amir</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hey buddy, your wife was right!
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11-13-2002, 04:33 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Amir 996TT:
<strong>Has anyone here had a chance to drive an ECU modified GT2 yet? I'm just curious to know if the extra power is too much for the RWD setup?
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When you want to push more power, the usual concern is the AWD (front diff.) Tuners actually prefer to go with the GT2 RWD setup as its much stronger. RWD is always stronger for high HP.
<strong>Has anyone here had a chance to drive an ECU modified GT2 yet? I'm just curious to know if the extra power is too much for the RWD setup?
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When you want to push more power, the usual concern is the AWD (front diff.) Tuners actually prefer to go with the GT2 RWD setup as its much stronger. RWD is always stronger for high HP.
11-13-2002, 06:51 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Shank996TT:
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When you want to push more power, the usual concern is the AWD (front diff.) Tuners actually prefer to go with the GT2 RWD setup as its much stronger. RWD is always stronger for high HP.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Amir's concern/question was not the strength of the platform, but rather, the car's drivability. Will the addition of more power make the car too much of a "beast" to handle on the street without the AWD and PSM of the 996TT?
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When you want to push more power, the usual concern is the AWD (front diff.) Tuners actually prefer to go with the GT2 RWD setup as its much stronger. RWD is always stronger for high HP.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think Amir's concern/question was not the strength of the platform, but rather, the car's drivability. Will the addition of more power make the car too much of a "beast" to handle on the street without the AWD and PSM of the 996TT?
11-13-2002, 07:08 PM
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I do not own a GT2. Based on my experience with Turbo, extra power should not be a problem for RWD. But it may be a real problem for the driver. If you plan on driving GT2 on a racetrack or even on the street, near the limit, I'd think twice about
adding A LOT of power.
Great thing about Turbo and GT2 is how easy it is to drive these cars at the limit. Very confidence-inspiring. Even with 530 hp, Turbo is still pretty sweet with just a hint of a beast: Exiting a corner you can feel how it pulls itself with the front paws ... oops ... wheels, rears slipping just enough. It's bound to be a different story with GT2.
Observe that the loss factor of RWD is significantly lower that of AWD. Equal flywheel horsepower translates to higher output at the wheels for GT2. And GT2 is lighter...
I hope someone with first-hand experience will come forward
Also, you may want to ask this question on rennteam.com Turbo forum: I remember seeing a discussion of this subject there.
adding A LOT of power.
Great thing about Turbo and GT2 is how easy it is to drive these cars at the limit. Very confidence-inspiring. Even with 530 hp, Turbo is still pretty sweet with just a hint of a beast: Exiting a corner you can feel how it pulls itself with the front paws ... oops ... wheels, rears slipping just enough. It's bound to be a different story with GT2.
Observe that the loss factor of RWD is significantly lower that of AWD. Equal flywheel horsepower translates to higher output at the wheels for GT2. And GT2 is lighter...
I hope someone with first-hand experience will come forward
Also, you may want to ask this question on rennteam.com Turbo forum: I remember seeing a discussion of this subject there.
11-13-2002, 07:20 PM
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It is getting cold here in Chicago and with the modifications done to my car, traction is a big issue. I can nail the throttle in second gear at 50 mph on the highway and when the boost kicks in the tires brake loose. I cannot imagine a modified GT2 that has equal horsepower to my car being very streetable.
11-13-2002, 09:40 PM
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If you got the GT2, let's first see how it does at WS without the ECU!
If you don't have the GT2, get an R Turbo. I think you'll like it more, especially if Ruf's getting more HP. He usually does as he learns more about the car (this happened with the Turbo R). Also, I think the car is faster than what R&T measured with 91 octane on a hot day.
In any case, don't keep us in suspense too long!
If you got the GT2, let's first see how it does at WS without the ECU!
If you don't have the GT2, get an R Turbo. I think you'll like it more, especially if Ruf's getting more HP. He usually does as he learns more about the car (this happened with the Turbo R). Also, I think the car is faster than what R&T measured with 91 octane on a hot day.
In any case, don't keep us in suspense too long!
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11-13-2002, 11:42 PM
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I've read of 800 hp Vipers, 900 hp Supras, 600 hp Corvettes, and 750 hp Ferraris. Most of them have less sophisticated rear suspensions than a GT2 and none of them have PSM, etc and their owners don't complain about them being undriveable.
11-14-2002, 12:46 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by pig4bill:
<strong>I've read of 800 hp Vipers, 900 hp Supras, 600 hp Corvettes, and 750 hp Ferraris. Most of them have less sophisticated rear suspensions than a GT2 and none of them have PSM, etc and their owners don't complain about them being undriveable.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very true. My 1000+hp Supra is very driveable. Maybe in the end it comes down to driver.
<strong>I've read of 800 hp Vipers, 900 hp Supras, 600 hp Corvettes, and 750 hp Ferraris. Most of them have less sophisticated rear suspensions than a GT2 and none of them have PSM, etc and their owners don't complain about them being undriveable.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Very true. My 1000+hp Supra is very driveable. Maybe in the end it comes down to driver.
11-14-2002, 01:58 AM
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Hi Bill,
Actually it's a done deal. I got my 03 GT2 a couple of hours ago. My intial impression of the car is exactly what Deanger, Watt, and emorgan have said. It is a completely different beast than the TT. It definitely feels a lot more nimble. It's funny my wife drove it breifly and her first comment was that it felt more like the 993TT than the 996TT.
I'm really looking forward to doing some comparisons between my my modified 996TT and the GT2 with my buddy Jack. Now, if I can only last through the break-in period. See you at WS.
Amir
Actually it's a done deal. I got my 03 GT2 a couple of hours ago. My intial impression of the car is exactly what Deanger, Watt, and emorgan have said. It is a completely different beast than the TT. It definitely feels a lot more nimble. It's funny my wife drove it breifly and her first comment was that it felt more like the 993TT than the 996TT.
I'm really looking forward to doing some comparisons between my my modified 996TT and the GT2 with my buddy Jack. Now, if I can only last through the break-in period. See you at WS.
Amir
11-14-2002, 02:05 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Amir 996TT:
<strong>It's funny my wife drove it breifly and her first comment was that it felt more like the 993TT than the 996TT.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, that's a lady who knows her cars...
[quote]<strong>Now, if I can only last through the break-in period.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What break-in period?
BTW, congratulations on your new baby. Enjoy it in good health. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
<strong>It's funny my wife drove it breifly and her first comment was that it felt more like the 993TT than the 996TT.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, that's a lady who knows her cars...
[quote]<strong>Now, if I can only last through the break-in period.</strong><hr></blockquote>
What break-in period?
BTW, congratulations on your new baby. Enjoy it in good health. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
11-14-2002, 02:55 PM
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Amir, Congratulations on your new baby! Personally, something tells me you won't have any problems with more power, I think you'll want more power. Let the games begin! <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
11-14-2002, 10:08 PM
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Guys, Guys Guys, what's all this about increased horsepower?
I took my GT 2 with 500 miles on it to Laguna Seca on Monday and Tuesday (Nov 11 and12), and it was fun.
Firstly, I kept the revs down but there was plenty there to provide oodles of excitement, drivers managed to wreck an M3 and an NSX (turns 11 and 6 respectively).
There were a number of comments from some of the more experienced instructors who stated that a number of the TT drivers were in over their heads and the car was saving them. Exactly the reason I switched from the TT to the GT2; I felt the TT was "dumbing me down" as a driver.
I make no great claims as to "Schumaker" abilities, but I can tell you that unless you are in the "professional" ranks (I'm not) you are not going to safely reach the existing potential of the GT2 without professional instruction and practice. If you try, have the replacement one on order
Unless, by some fluke, every TT and GT2 driver fall into the "professional" rank then there is enough in the GT2 to challenge all but the insane (and inept).
What the GT2 does is make you focus very clearly (nothing concentrates the mind like a good hanging) on the fundamentals of physics, and don't lift your foot!. The TT lets you get away with silly behaviour and induces to think you're a better driver than you really are.
So to all you "Schumakers" add the horsepower (I want lessons from you), to the rest spend some time learning how to enjoy the very considerable capabilities of the car; it is immense fun as it stands.
I took my GT 2 with 500 miles on it to Laguna Seca on Monday and Tuesday (Nov 11 and12), and it was fun.
Firstly, I kept the revs down but there was plenty there to provide oodles of excitement, drivers managed to wreck an M3 and an NSX (turns 11 and 6 respectively).
There were a number of comments from some of the more experienced instructors who stated that a number of the TT drivers were in over their heads and the car was saving them. Exactly the reason I switched from the TT to the GT2; I felt the TT was "dumbing me down" as a driver.
I make no great claims as to "Schumaker" abilities, but I can tell you that unless you are in the "professional" ranks (I'm not) you are not going to safely reach the existing potential of the GT2 without professional instruction and practice. If you try, have the replacement one on order
Unless, by some fluke, every TT and GT2 driver fall into the "professional" rank then there is enough in the GT2 to challenge all but the insane (and inept).
What the GT2 does is make you focus very clearly (nothing concentrates the mind like a good hanging) on the fundamentals of physics, and don't lift your foot!. The TT lets you get away with silly behaviour and induces to think you're a better driver than you really are.
So to all you "Schumakers" add the horsepower (I want lessons from you), to the rest spend some time learning how to enjoy the very considerable capabilities of the car; it is immense fun as it stands.