ImagineAuto, GIAC and EVO Motorsports
01-03-2003, 11:40 PM
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ImagineAuto, GIAC and EVO Motorsports
ImagineAuto, GIAC and EVO Motorsports would like to introduce the very first switchable ECU via a remote key fob. Yep, here is how it works. 5 buttons total. Mine is set up as Stock, Stage II, Stage III and Stage IV. The last button in the center is a valet button. By pressing this the unit will not go above 30 MPH and will only allow partial throttle. Throw the keys to the 16 year old kid next door. He isn't going anywhere. LOL. The unit can only be switched while the car is off and confirms program change with an audible beep from the ECU. The unit will not change while driving so no mistakes in which stage you are in. It will not load two programs at once. You can tell which program you are in if you forget while the car is running. By pressing each button one at a time the loaded stage will be the only button to confirm with an audible beep. The unit is very easy to use and will put your mind at ease when taking your car into service. Set it to the stock program and take the remote with you. We can program Euro or X50s with this as well. What do you guys think
01-04-2003, 12:47 AM
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CJV,
There are a couple of things involved, but it basically works like having 4 different ECUS. If you called and said I want stage III we would program your ECU to that level. If you called a month later and said ummmm, I need stage IV, but want three ECUs, one stock, one II and one IV. We basically can give you 4 ECUs if you will in one box with the touch of the button. The idea is run what stage you want or can use based on octane, mood or use. If you are running 100 octane we can load a program that will take advantage of this. You obviously can't run that all the time, I guess you could but would get expensive. You simply punch the button and put it to a stage that works for the gas you are running or need. For me I run stock ECU mode most of the time. When I need more I simply punch the button. In a sense it gives the sensation of a boost high/low button but is much more involved.
The valet mode is also something that will be in the system. You hit the center button and the car will not go faster than 30MPH. It will NOT do full throttle. So your 600HP is 45HP to the valet parking. He will have parked Yugos he thought was faster. It is really cool!!! My wife found it less entertaining than I did when I talked her into taking it to the store and didn't tell her I set the valet. LOL, man was she hot.
There are a couple of things involved, but it basically works like having 4 different ECUS. If you called and said I want stage III we would program your ECU to that level. If you called a month later and said ummmm, I need stage IV, but want three ECUs, one stock, one II and one IV. We basically can give you 4 ECUs if you will in one box with the touch of the button. The idea is run what stage you want or can use based on octane, mood or use. If you are running 100 octane we can load a program that will take advantage of this. You obviously can't run that all the time, I guess you could but would get expensive. You simply punch the button and put it to a stage that works for the gas you are running or need. For me I run stock ECU mode most of the time. When I need more I simply punch the button. In a sense it gives the sensation of a boost high/low button but is much more involved.
The valet mode is also something that will be in the system. You hit the center button and the car will not go faster than 30MPH. It will NOT do full throttle. So your 600HP is 45HP to the valet parking. He will have parked Yugos he thought was faster. It is really cool!!! My wife found it less entertaining than I did when I talked her into taking it to the store and didn't tell her I set the valet. LOL, man was she hot.
01-04-2003, 01:17 AM
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wow garret finally did it! I remember he was working on this over a year ago. This somewhat similar to the APR EMCS.
With the APR system all the functions are controlled through the cruise control stalk, no need to carry around the remote. With the APR you can change the program on the fly, also has a security lock out, along with the valet mode. You can program up to 4 separate programs. You can also get all tweaks and new upgrades over the modem and download it directly to the ECU.
With the APR system all the functions are controlled through the cruise control stalk, no need to carry around the remote. With the APR you can change the program on the fly, also has a security lock out, along with the valet mode. You can program up to 4 separate programs. You can also get all tweaks and new upgrades over the modem and download it directly to the ECU.
01-04-2003, 01:34 AM
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Oak,
You got it. The biggest difference is APR doesn't have programming for K24s, Euro or X50 nor 03. We do and various versions of them as well. The other big factor for me personally is the ability to take the key fob and run! To stab the button and go to stock and take it with you is a big plus.
You got it. The biggest difference is APR doesn't have programming for K24s, Euro or X50 nor 03. We do and various versions of them as well. The other big factor for me personally is the ability to take the key fob and run! To stab the button and go to stock and take it with you is a big plus.
01-04-2003, 01:38 AM
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TestnDoc,
There is not a set retail list yet and we are still waiting on some details before the version is completely released. If you would drop me an email I will keep you posted as things get finalized. We should be all go by the end of this month.
There is not a set retail list yet and we are still waiting on some details before the version is completely released. If you would drop me an email I will keep you posted as things get finalized. We should be all go by the end of this month.
01-04-2003, 02:08 AM
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[quote]Originally posted by PorschePhD:
<strong>Oak,
You got it. The biggest difference is APR doesn't have programming for K24s, Euro or X50 nor 03. We do and various versions of them as well. The other big factor for me personally is the ability to take the key fob and run! To stab the button and go to stock and take it with you is a big plus.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was considering this when it was originally mentioned. I then realized that what if you loose the remote or it somehow gets wet/damaged? Is there a manual over ride? IMO the ability to use the cruise control stalk with the security lock out would seem more practical, and one less interface to go wrong. But, it's still a cool remote control.
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<strong>Oak,
You got it. The biggest difference is APR doesn't have programming for K24s, Euro or X50 nor 03. We do and various versions of them as well. The other big factor for me personally is the ability to take the key fob and run! To stab the button and go to stock and take it with you is a big plus.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I was considering this when it was originally mentioned. I then realized that what if you loose the remote or it somehow gets wet/damaged? Is there a manual over ride? IMO the ability to use the cruise control stalk with the security lock out would seem more practical, and one less interface to go wrong. But, it's still a cool remote control.
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01-04-2003, 11:32 AM
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[quote] I then realized that what if you loose the remote or it somehow gets wet/damaged? Is there a manual over ride <hr></blockquote>
Not a problem.....For a nominal fee an extra FOB can be bought. Not something I would hang on the counter for your kids though
Security is not a problem, all of GIAC programming includes a possible 1024 combinations and for the really untrusting 59049 is available. Not sure Bill Gates has that many <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> The stalk is a nifty place, but I have heard of dealers checking the stalk now when the car comes in for possible tuning. The system that I am running in stock mode is undetectable by the dealer. GIAC uses a real stock chip port, utilizing the customers original chip, this is not a stock part of an emulated program. That is why in "stock" mode all flash upgrades and dealer scan options are 100% compatible. Set it to stock and walk away from the dealer with a big smile on your face.
Remember I am an owner that happens to tune Porsches. For me I have tried a lot of stuff in the industry. Not sure how many know this but GIAC was the first to offer OBD2 programming on the 996. That in so many words says a lot. The learning curve was set some while ago.
On the board I posted dyno sheets. This is the programming at work. It is all good for those of us that are HP junkies. I just tell people it is because my son likes to go fast.
Not a problem.....For a nominal fee an extra FOB can be bought. Not something I would hang on the counter for your kids though
Security is not a problem, all of GIAC programming includes a possible 1024 combinations and for the really untrusting 59049 is available. Not sure Bill Gates has that many <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> The stalk is a nifty place, but I have heard of dealers checking the stalk now when the car comes in for possible tuning. The system that I am running in stock mode is undetectable by the dealer. GIAC uses a real stock chip port, utilizing the customers original chip, this is not a stock part of an emulated program. That is why in "stock" mode all flash upgrades and dealer scan options are 100% compatible. Set it to stock and walk away from the dealer with a big smile on your face.
Remember I am an owner that happens to tune Porsches. For me I have tried a lot of stuff in the industry. Not sure how many know this but GIAC was the first to offer OBD2 programming on the 996. That in so many words says a lot. The learning curve was set some while ago.
On the board I posted dyno sheets. This is the programming at work. It is all good for those of us that are HP junkies. I just tell people it is because my son likes to go fast.
01-04-2003, 11:46 AM
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Question:
How do you know what mode it is currently on? Is there another indicator in the car that states you're in Stage, III or IV?
ALso, if you take into consideration, other modifications that one may have for their TT, How does your premappings accomodate? What boost level is Stage IV set to?
In CJV's and My TT's case, as we added headers to an existing chipped ECU, we lost power until the ECU was reprogrammed to accomodate additional air flow. S
Sounds like an idea we've been waiting for, and trying to understand, without the car being present to dyno tune, how can we order the proper settings?
-Shank
How do you know what mode it is currently on? Is there another indicator in the car that states you're in Stage, III or IV?
ALso, if you take into consideration, other modifications that one may have for their TT, How does your premappings accomodate? What boost level is Stage IV set to?
In CJV's and My TT's case, as we added headers to an existing chipped ECU, we lost power until the ECU was reprogrammed to accomodate additional air flow. S
Sounds like an idea we've been waiting for, and trying to understand, without the car being present to dyno tune, how can we order the proper settings?
-Shank
01-04-2003, 11:56 AM
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Shank,
With the car on press the button you believe is the mode you are in. If there is an audible beep then you are in that mode. If no beep you are not. Continue to press the outer buttons until one beeps. This is the mode you are in. You can do this because the unit will not allow switching while the car is running. This prevents someone playing with it and putting in a stage you don't want. The other stages will not confirm and thus will not beep while running.
When I first tried mine I thought the same thing, no indicator. I then realized I could check the buttons and get confirmation audibly. I don't think an indicator would be a good idea in regards to the dealer knowing if you had this or not.
With the car on press the button you believe is the mode you are in. If there is an audible beep then you are in that mode. If no beep you are not. Continue to press the outer buttons until one beeps. This is the mode you are in. You can do this because the unit will not allow switching while the car is running. This prevents someone playing with it and putting in a stage you don't want. The other stages will not confirm and thus will not beep while running.
When I first tried mine I thought the same thing, no indicator. I then realized I could check the buttons and get confirmation audibly. I don't think an indicator would be a good idea in regards to the dealer knowing if you had this or not.
01-04-2003, 12:01 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Shank996TT:
<strong>Question:
ALso, if you take into consideration, other modifications that one may have for their TT, How does your premappings accomodate? What boost level is Stage IV set to?
In CJV's and My TT's case, as we added headers to an existing chipped ECU, we lost power until the ECU was reprogrammed to accomodate additional air flow.
Sounds like an idea we've been waiting for, and trying to understand, without the car being present to dyno tune, how can we order the proper settings?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Level IV is running 1.2 bar of boost.
We have many different variations of these higher level programs depending on the vehicle modifications, geographic location, fuel quality and based on the original ECU software.
-Todd
<strong>Question:
ALso, if you take into consideration, other modifications that one may have for their TT, How does your premappings accomodate? What boost level is Stage IV set to?
In CJV's and My TT's case, as we added headers to an existing chipped ECU, we lost power until the ECU was reprogrammed to accomodate additional air flow.
Sounds like an idea we've been waiting for, and trying to understand, without the car being present to dyno tune, how can we order the proper settings?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Level IV is running 1.2 bar of boost.
We have many different variations of these higher level programs depending on the vehicle modifications, geographic location, fuel quality and based on the original ECU software.
-Todd
01-04-2003, 12:13 PM
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Hey...those questions weren't there a minute ago 
One of the things I can tell you is there have been many more dynos since the original release of the programming for the TT. We have a page of software now based on mods, boost, octane, rev-limiter and so on. It is as simple as this, when you order it we need to know what you have. We will load this based on current mods. If you are at a lesser stage and plan on moving up in the future you can have a "future" program loaded based on what you plan on doing. OBDII is much smarter than what most think. The availability and now hundreds of dynos and various equipment modifications has provide GIAC with endless combinations for programming. Customers like you and CJV that know what you are running and going to run makes the process even simpler. If you look at my dyno sheets on the board you will see what I mean. This isn't written from my car, but tweaked across the United States. It is running 1.2 on the dyno and had more to offer. The numbers were quiet impressive and truly "bolt on"
One of the things I can tell you is there have been many more dynos since the original release of the programming for the TT. We have a page of software now based on mods, boost, octane, rev-limiter and so on. It is as simple as this, when you order it we need to know what you have. We will load this based on current mods. If you are at a lesser stage and plan on moving up in the future you can have a "future" program loaded based on what you plan on doing. OBDII is much smarter than what most think. The availability and now hundreds of dynos and various equipment modifications has provide GIAC with endless combinations for programming. Customers like you and CJV that know what you are running and going to run makes the process even simpler. If you look at my dyno sheets on the board you will see what I mean. This isn't written from my car, but tweaked across the United States. It is running 1.2 on the dyno and had more to offer. The numbers were quiet impressive and truly "bolt on"
01-04-2003, 12:52 PM
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this looks cool and very promising, but i'm a litle confused. i have planned to go w/apr for the switchable technology that you now offer. i'm glad you offer a similar program. you wrote that apr's program is not compatible w/'03 model year- ??
i was under the impression that apr's stalk programming featured a lock out code with an password... how is the dealer to know? does the stalk have little mode printing or other obvious imprints on it?
i like the switch on the fly mode, personally, any chance to enable the funtion per customer request? let's say you're on a spirited drive in stock and want a little extra power... you have to pull over?
any chance to illuminate the buttons with red code names or numbers?
i was under the impression that apr's stalk programming featured a lock out code with an password... how is the dealer to know? does the stalk have little mode printing or other obvious imprints on it?
i like the switch on the fly mode, personally, any chance to enable the funtion per customer request? let's say you're on a spirited drive in stock and want a little extra power... you have to pull over?
any chance to illuminate the buttons with red code names or numbers?