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01-04-2003, 12:57 PM
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PhD-Next question please:Let's say I have a TT tuned just like I like it- exhaust, air filter and ECU remap(all by tuner other than GIAC/EVO) but would like to have the option of switching back to stock ECU map with the push the fob button. Can this be done without undoing the ECU remap? Thanks.
01-04-2003, 03:12 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by germansedanfan:
<strong>this looks cool and very promising, but i'm a litle confused. i have planned to go w/apr for the switchable technology that you now offer. i'm glad you offer a similar program. you wrote that apr's program is not compatible w/'03 model year- ??
i was under the impression that apr's stalk programming featured a lock out code with an password... how is the dealer to know? does the stalk have little mode printing or other obvious imprints on it?
i like the switch on the fly mode, personally, any chance to enable the funtion per customer request? let's say you're on a spirited drive in stock and want a little extra power... you have to pull over?
any chance to illuminate the buttons with red code names or numbers?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Paul, I have actually used the APR EMCS and there is a lock out security feature, the dealer will never know. I have never heard of any dealerships checking or busting anyone with the APR EMCS set up. They would have to know the security code to even access the chipped program.
Not sure about the 03' chip tuning, you may want to check with APR. The last time I checked with apr, no programs were available for the X50 or K24's.
<strong>this looks cool and very promising, but i'm a litle confused. i have planned to go w/apr for the switchable technology that you now offer. i'm glad you offer a similar program. you wrote that apr's program is not compatible w/'03 model year- ??
i was under the impression that apr's stalk programming featured a lock out code with an password... how is the dealer to know? does the stalk have little mode printing or other obvious imprints on it?
i like the switch on the fly mode, personally, any chance to enable the funtion per customer request? let's say you're on a spirited drive in stock and want a little extra power... you have to pull over?
any chance to illuminate the buttons with red code names or numbers?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Paul, I have actually used the APR EMCS and there is a lock out security feature, the dealer will never know. I have never heard of any dealerships checking or busting anyone with the APR EMCS set up. They would have to know the security code to even access the chipped program.
Not sure about the 03' chip tuning, you may want to check with APR. The last time I checked with apr, no programs were available for the X50 or K24's.
01-04-2003, 05:14 PM
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Paul,
There will not be any variance to the inability to switch on the fly. There are to many liabilities involved. Imagine this....your friends are in the car and someone punches the key fob without you knowing it. You are now in the 100 octane mode and are hammering the boost. You think nothing of it until the worst happens. Just doesn't really work to have it any other way. The ignition has to be off in order for the modes to be switched. It hasn't been a problem for me.
There will not be any variance to the inability to switch on the fly. There are to many liabilities involved. Imagine this....your friends are in the car and someone punches the key fob without you knowing it. You are now in the 100 octane mode and are hammering the boost. You think nothing of it until the worst happens. Just doesn't really work to have it any other way. The ignition has to be off in order for the modes to be switched. It hasn't been a problem for me.
01-04-2003, 05:19 PM
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AG,
When you are talking about running back to the stock map are you talking about completely stock? If so, yes. You can toggle between programs without issue or losing the program. It makes no difference what the mapping is. Stock/II/III etc.
When you are talking about running back to the stock map are you talking about completely stock? If so, yes. You can toggle between programs without issue or losing the program. It makes no difference what the mapping is. Stock/II/III etc.
01-04-2003, 05:54 PM
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Stephen-
The main point to my question centers on the fact that the re-map was NOT done by Giac/EVO/Imagine but rather by a different tuner. I REALLY like the result I have but would like the option to switch back to stock ECU map on occasion. Don't really need 2 or 3 options plus valet, just my current re-map and the stock map. Not sure if this qestion makes sense, but if it does, is that do-able?
The main point to my question centers on the fact that the re-map was NOT done by Giac/EVO/Imagine but rather by a different tuner. I REALLY like the result I have but would like the option to switch back to stock ECU map on occasion. Don't really need 2 or 3 options plus valet, just my current re-map and the stock map. Not sure if this qestion makes sense, but if it does, is that do-able?
01-04-2003, 06:36 PM
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I think that AG is wondering that if he has a "different tuner" ecu upgrade and is happy with his set up, can he just get the chip switcher to work with his current programming. If this is the question, the answer is no. You will have to run the GIAC program in order to take advantage of the IBE chip switch.
01-05-2003, 06:04 AM
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Sorry for the off topic response but couldn't resist. <img src="graemlins/offtopic.gif" border="0" alt="[offtopic]" />
By little girls seem to each have the key fob enabling them to go to stage III and IV without first turning off the ignition. I can't find the key fobs which will allow me to slow them (the girls ) down to 30mph. I think the machinery (me) would last longer and be more reliable if I could get a hold of those key fobs. I like the idea of the key fob but would welcome expanded applications to little kids.
Rob
By little girls seem to each have the key fob enabling them to go to stage III and IV without first turning off the ignition. I can't find the key fobs which will allow me to slow them (the girls ) down to 30mph. I think the machinery (me) would last longer and be more reliable if I could get a hold of those key fobs. I like the idea of the key fob but would welcome expanded applications to little kids.
Rob
01-05-2003, 05:59 PM
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Never really got a response to my question, and its really what cjv was asking. You're getting close to 185 HP by adjusting the timing, A/F and boost?
Did you find the secret nitro chip in the TT ECU?
Any thoughts on longevity with these changes?
Did you find the secret nitro chip in the TT ECU?
Any thoughts on longevity with these changes?
01-05-2003, 08:46 PM
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Sorry David, 
I wasn't sure if that was directed to me or not. The mod list is simple.....
Cats/Muffler, K&N, BOVs, GTI turbos with polishing work and ECU mod-ed to stage IV. We also played with the wastegate settings a little. I think I would be a millionaire if I had stumbled onto a 185 ECU upgraded
Man O' Man. I suppose one could do that if you ran 30Lbs of boost. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> As far as projected longevity I am not concerned at this stage in the game. My AFR is very favorable and the EGT remained where I am happy. The biggest issue I think that will come up is that the new IV needs to be run with 93 at minimum. I know those that are in California may have issues with this one. We also have another version of stage IV with 100 programming.
CJV,
The switching back and forth is a difference in mapping of the components you listed. We can program different boost levels, however each time we adjust the boost level we also adjust the A/F ratio and timing among other things. As you know adjusting boost alone and nothing else is a no no. So in a sense it does give the sensation of a boost controller because of the ability to switch stages, however they are based on a lot more than boost.
The limiting of the speed is due to throttle control(drive by wire). As far as the 30MPH, when playing with my car the minute I hit the gas it is like when the PSM is switched on full blast. There is very little throttle and no matter what you do it will not allow the car to get up and go. I haven't actually put in 6th and tried to go faster as I think the car would simply bog down and die due to throttle cut off. I will check it out in the morning for you on the way to work. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
I wasn't sure if that was directed to me or not. The mod list is simple.....
Cats/Muffler, K&N, BOVs, GTI turbos with polishing work and ECU mod-ed to stage IV. We also played with the wastegate settings a little. I think I would be a millionaire if I had stumbled onto a 185 ECU upgraded
Man O' Man. I suppose one could do that if you ran 30Lbs of boost. <img src="graemlins/c.gif" border="0" alt="[ouch]" /> As far as projected longevity I am not concerned at this stage in the game. My AFR is very favorable and the EGT remained where I am happy. The biggest issue I think that will come up is that the new IV needs to be run with 93 at minimum. I know those that are in California may have issues with this one. We also have another version of stage IV with 100 programming. CJV,
The switching back and forth is a difference in mapping of the components you listed. We can program different boost levels, however each time we adjust the boost level we also adjust the A/F ratio and timing among other things. As you know adjusting boost alone and nothing else is a no no. So in a sense it does give the sensation of a boost controller because of the ability to switch stages, however they are based on a lot more than boost.
The limiting of the speed is due to throttle control(drive by wire). As far as the 30MPH, when playing with my car the minute I hit the gas it is like when the PSM is switched on full blast. There is very little throttle and no matter what you do it will not allow the car to get up and go. I haven't actually put in 6th and tried to go faster as I think the car would simply bog down and die due to throttle cut off. I will check it out in the morning for you on the way to work. <img src="graemlins/burnout.gif" border="0" alt="[burnout]" />
01-07-2003, 02:11 AM
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Stephen
Please excuse my ignorance
AFR = air fuel ratio?
EGT = exhuast gas temp? Is this similar to finding stoichiometric (sp?) point for maximum efficiency and power?
How is air fuel ratio (if this is correct) measured
Thanks
Rob
Please excuse my ignorance
AFR = air fuel ratio?
EGT = exhuast gas temp? Is this similar to finding stoichiometric (sp?) point for maximum efficiency and power?
How is air fuel ratio (if this is correct) measured
Thanks
Rob
01-07-2003, 10:52 AM
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Rob,
You got it. The AFR is measured with a wideband O2 sensor. Most Dyno shops have one on tap. I use a stand alone unit that is hand held and measures all types of gas and will adjust to work accordingly. The unit was about 1500.00. I use them for a lot of our custom builds.
You got it. The AFR is measured with a wideband O2 sensor. Most Dyno shops have one on tap. I use a stand alone unit that is hand held and measures all types of gas and will adjust to work accordingly. The unit was about 1500.00. I use them for a lot of our custom builds.
01-07-2003, 10:48 PM
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The stages do require different things such as turbos, mufflers etc. However once you have these things in place you can go back down in power at a touch of a button.
