X-50 vs Tuned TT
05-22-2002, 02:02 PM
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X-50 vs Tuned TT
Has anyone here driven both an X-50 and standard TT with a tuned DME (e.g., approx 460-490 hp/torque -- no other upgrades)? If so, how do they compare? Is one faster off the line than the other? Is one smoother than the other? How do they compare performance wise?
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05-23-2002, 01:02 AM
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The standard TT has K16 turbos and when unichipped
and fabspeed exhaust puts out 420RWHP.However and please see my prior info on the X50. The X50 has modified K24 turbos from factory and the same package as the GT2. So starting with 0.8 bar on K24s this and adding unichip,fabspeed exhaust,Airtek filter and boosting to 1.1bar and 1.2 overboost youll end up with about 460-470rwhp.
Ill be posting the results after the dyno run May 31st. I've had the X50 since Feb great car well worth the 17K if you figure on modifying since your starting with alot of extras from factory plus resale. Also see idaautomotive.com/dyno2htm
and fabspeed exhaust puts out 420RWHP.However and please see my prior info on the X50. The X50 has modified K24 turbos from factory and the same package as the GT2. So starting with 0.8 bar on K24s this and adding unichip,fabspeed exhaust,Airtek filter and boosting to 1.1bar and 1.2 overboost youll end up with about 460-470rwhp.
Ill be posting the results after the dyno run May 31st. I've had the X50 since Feb great car well worth the 17K if you figure on modifying since your starting with alot of extras from factory plus resale. Also see idaautomotive.com/dyno2htm
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Jeff,
I agree that X50 is a better plathform to modify with Unichip simply because it has GT2 turbos and exhaust.
However, *buying* X50 with the intent to modify is more questionable: you can get two GT2 turbos for around 3,000 and a pretty good exhaust (Cargraphic or Fabspeed) for 3,500. That's 6,500 total vs. 17,700 you'd have to pay for X50.
I agree that X50 is a better plathform to modify with Unichip simply because it has GT2 turbos and exhaust.
However, *buying* X50 with the intent to modify is more questionable: you can get two GT2 turbos for around 3,000 and a pretty good exhaust (Cargraphic or Fabspeed) for 3,500. That's 6,500 total vs. 17,700 you'd have to pay for X50.
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Your partially correct but, lets not foget steel synchros in tranny,the labor to put in the K24 turbo's, modified exhaust, modified intercoolers, items in and the down time and hasle to leave and get car.
Or resale value versus regular TT. larger intercooler same as GT2 and bypass valve is GT2. CJV mentioned the valve so I did alittle research.
The stock boost is 0.8 bar with 0.9 overboost( tweaked stock DME. I think it would cost about the same or more if did this to a stock TT. Sometime I want to compare my costs and dyno sheet to CJV he
is usaully pretty sqaured away regarding costs VS Hp and compare notes . VS you brought up a very good qeustion. I just like the turn key no hassle here's 17K , and start at a higher platuea HP wise.
Jeff
Your partially correct but, lets not foget steel synchros in tranny,the labor to put in the K24 turbo's, modified exhaust, modified intercoolers, items in and the down time and hasle to leave and get car.
Or resale value versus regular TT. larger intercooler same as GT2 and bypass valve is GT2. CJV mentioned the valve so I did alittle research.
The stock boost is 0.8 bar with 0.9 overboost( tweaked stock DME. I think it would cost about the same or more if did this to a stock TT. Sometime I want to compare my costs and dyno sheet to CJV he
is usaully pretty sqaured away regarding costs VS Hp and compare notes . VS you brought up a very good qeustion. I just like the turn key no hassle here's 17K , and start at a higher platuea HP wise.
Jeff
05-23-2002, 10:44 PM
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I don't know about modifying a TT but now have 5000 miles on my X50. It starts perfectly, runs perfectly, accelerates cleanly, idles thru traffic fine, doesn't overheat in jams, handles snow, and is fully covered by warranty. I've had a fair amount of aftermarket stuff done on a variety of cars (street and street-licensed vintage racers) and I've found it rare to get a car back from a high performance shop with everything perfect. Now, everybody talks about the racers group, and maybe they deliver a perfect product, but I'd be interested in learning if people who modify stay in the world of "trouble free" or enter "fix-it" hell. AS
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[quote]Zack, looked at your site, nice car. Most people on this board know Porsche's are not designed for drag racing although 800 hp is not unheard of in a Porsche. We would have have to modify more than the turbo to give it any longevity. I notice you track an older Porsche, why don't you track the newer Supra? I don't say that for an arguement, just making a point the Porshe has some disadvantages but many other advantages, the least of which is a soild track record and desirability by the general public. <hr></blockquote>
The Supra is my daily driver. I have it because I enjoy having as much horsepower as a Formula 1 car on the street with a/c, leather, CD, and cruise control. I like my 911 on the track, could I make my Supra as fast? Yes. But I choose not to. Look at the results for the One Lap of America race this year, a 100% street Supra finished 3rd behind a 996tt and an ACR Viper.
The Supra is my daily driver. I have it because I enjoy having as much horsepower as a Formula 1 car on the street with a/c, leather, CD, and cruise control. I like my 911 on the track, could I make my Supra as fast? Yes. But I choose not to. Look at the results for the One Lap of America race this year, a 100% street Supra finished 3rd behind a 996tt and an ACR Viper.
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[quote]Originally posted by Zach Pruett:
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I like my 911 on the track, could I make my Supra as fast? Yes. But I choose not to. Look at the results for the One Lap of America race this year, a 100% street Supra finished 3rd behind a 996tt and an ACR Viper.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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I like my 911 on the track, could I make my Supra as fast? Yes. But I choose not to. Look at the results for the One Lap of America race this year, a 100% street Supra finished 3rd behind a 996tt and an ACR Viper.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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[quote]Originally posted by Zach Pruett:
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I like my 911 on the track, could I make my Supra as fast? Yes. But I choose not to. Look at the results for the One Lap of America race this year, a 100% street Supra finished 3rd behind a 996tt and an ACR Viper.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have to seriously question this. I think a lot will depend on the type of the race. You've chosen as an example a "race" that tends to favour power over handling. But choose a track where handling is important and I'm not so sure that your power would make up for it.
An excellent example of this is a track that I'm familiar with, Nürburgring. I see lots of cars on this track with tons of power being left behind by cars which are light and handle well.
S.
[p.s. sorry for previous posting ... hit the reply button a little prematurely. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ]
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I like my 911 on the track, could I make my Supra as fast? Yes. But I choose not to. Look at the results for the One Lap of America race this year, a 100% street Supra finished 3rd behind a 996tt and an ACR Viper.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I have to seriously question this. I think a lot will depend on the type of the race. You've chosen as an example a "race" that tends to favour power over handling. But choose a track where handling is important and I'm not so sure that your power would make up for it.
An excellent example of this is a track that I'm familiar with, Nürburgring. I see lots of cars on this track with tons of power being left behind by cars which are light and handle well.
S.
[p.s. sorry for previous posting ... hit the reply button a little prematurely. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ]
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[quote]Originally posted by FixedWing:
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I have to seriously question this. I think a lot will depend on the type of the race. You've chosen as an example a "race" that tends to favour power over handling. But choose a track where handling is important and I'm not so sure that your power would make up for it.
An excellent example of this is a track that I'm familiar with, Nürburgring. I see lots of cars on this track with tons of power being left behind by cars which are light and handle well.
S.
[p.s. sorry for previous posting ... hit the reply button a little prematurely. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The one lap is a series of tracks, not just one that favors power or handling.
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I have to seriously question this. I think a lot will depend on the type of the race. You've chosen as an example a "race" that tends to favour power over handling. But choose a track where handling is important and I'm not so sure that your power would make up for it.
An excellent example of this is a track that I'm familiar with, Nürburgring. I see lots of cars on this track with tons of power being left behind by cars which are light and handle well.
S.
[p.s. sorry for previous posting ... hit the reply button a little prematurely. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The one lap is a series of tracks, not just one that favors power or handling.
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[quote]Originally posted by FixedWing:
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I have to seriously question this. I think a lot will depend on the type of the race. You've chosen as an example a "race" that tends to favour power over handling. But choose a track where handling is important and I'm not so sure that your power would make up for it.
An excellent example of this is a track that I'm familiar with, Nürburgring. I see lots of cars on this track with tons of power being left behind by cars which are light and handle well.
S.
[p.s. sorry for previous posting ... hit the reply button a little prematurely. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Blitz Supra held the unofficial 'ring record at 7min 49s one or two years ago. If you're familiar with Nürburgring I'm sure you agree that that's an impressive lap time. However, the Gembella GTR600 holds the current record I believe at 7min 32.5s which is simply amazing. EVO had an article about this run where they set out to beat the techart 996TT's record and literally smashed it. The EVO article interestingly enough invited Ruf to try and beat this time since Ruf started the 'ring phenomena with their Faszination video in the 80s. Anyone know if Ruf attempted or beat this record? I sure hope they do.
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I have to seriously question this. I think a lot will depend on the type of the race. You've chosen as an example a "race" that tends to favour power over handling. But choose a track where handling is important and I'm not so sure that your power would make up for it.
An excellent example of this is a track that I'm familiar with, Nürburgring. I see lots of cars on this track with tons of power being left behind by cars which are light and handle well.
S.
[p.s. sorry for previous posting ... hit the reply button a little prematurely. <img src="graemlins/yltype.gif" border="0" alt="[typing]" /> ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
The Blitz Supra held the unofficial 'ring record at 7min 49s one or two years ago. If you're familiar with Nürburgring I'm sure you agree that that's an impressive lap time. However, the Gembella GTR600 holds the current record I believe at 7min 32.5s which is simply amazing. EVO had an article about this run where they set out to beat the techart 996TT's record and literally smashed it. The EVO article interestingly enough invited Ruf to try and beat this time since Ruf started the 'ring phenomena with their Faszination video in the 80s. Anyone know if Ruf attempted or beat this record? I sure hope they do.
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wake up ;-) RUF is nothing. He WAS good but now is not ner that.
guess why Ruf never show up against other tuners like Gemballa, roock, tech art Rs Tuning etc?
he know he can never win. He has a big name and if he lose ( and I am sur ehe will) then the big name is gone.
When was the last time that Ruf atended to a race with one of his car? His last test on Germany magazins was MANE years ago.
he now build a very conservative engine and it is not more that what Porsche do with the exclusive X 55 etc options.
All of his good mecahnics are gone and build their own company and RUF turn to be a authorized Maserati dealer.
he was one of the best in 80ties, good in 90ties and not even in the midlle in the 2000.
even his overpriced CTR is not faster than a $100 k cheaper Gemballa or what ever.
the only think that stil has is the reliability but this not uncommon for a very conservative engine that runs low boost.
I would be glad to see RUF trying to brake the record but he will not do that because he knows he can NOT do that
one of the best engines is TTP (the Gemballa engine builder)
the fastst cars made by RS tuning which is more race engine and less street. another good one is Sportec <a href="http://www.sportec.ch/" target="_blank">http://www.sportec.ch/</a> in switzerland. then comes Roock, tech art etc.
some more infos
<a href="http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003315/508HP.html" target="_blank">http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003315/508HP.html</a>
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guess why Ruf never show up against other tuners like Gemballa, roock, tech art Rs Tuning etc?
he know he can never win. He has a big name and if he lose ( and I am sur ehe will) then the big name is gone.
When was the last time that Ruf atended to a race with one of his car? His last test on Germany magazins was MANE years ago.
he now build a very conservative engine and it is not more that what Porsche do with the exclusive X 55 etc options.
All of his good mecahnics are gone and build their own company and RUF turn to be a authorized Maserati dealer.
he was one of the best in 80ties, good in 90ties and not even in the midlle in the 2000.
even his overpriced CTR is not faster than a $100 k cheaper Gemballa or what ever.
the only think that stil has is the reliability but this not uncommon for a very conservative engine that runs low boost.
I would be glad to see RUF trying to brake the record but he will not do that because he knows he can NOT do that
one of the best engines is TTP (the Gemballa engine builder)
the fastst cars made by RS tuning which is more race engine and less street. another good one is Sportec <a href="http://www.sportec.ch/" target="_blank">http://www.sportec.ch/</a> in switzerland. then comes Roock, tech art etc.
some more infos
<a href="http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003315/508HP.html" target="_blank">http://www-public.tu-bs.de:8080/~y0003315/508HP.html</a>
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05-30-2002, 12:47 PM
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Oak,
AFAIK, "Gunther" = TTP (RIP). RS-Tuning is different and Sportec may be using FVD "Willie Brombacher" engine kits. This impression is partialy based on the old German article about tuned 996 TTs.
BTW, we seem to be following the same path with mods: my Cargraphic exhaust the mild version CARP996TETR is coming in tomorrow
Which one have you got? Also, what are those "24.5" turbos?
AFAIK, "Gunther" = TTP (RIP). RS-Tuning is different and Sportec may be using FVD "Willie Brombacher" engine kits. This impression is partialy based on the old German article about tuned 996 TTs.
BTW, we seem to be following the same path with mods: my Cargraphic exhaust the mild version CARP996TETR is coming in tomorrow
Which one have you got? Also, what are those "24.5" turbos?